Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 2) - Neocons Strike Back

[glenshane]

First georgia and then Ukraine…thirteen years later. Not much of a blitzkrieg you must admit.
Some going for a seventy year old- by my reckoning @balbec has until 2035 to get to fuck out of Poland

[estebandaface]

If we’re lucky global warming might kill us here before Putin, or else Vera Pauws nationalist ninjas might do an aul coup

[Tim_Riggins]

@estebandaface

lookit. this is all bullshit to justify your nihilistic wet dreams too.

If Putin really wanted to invade all of Western Freedom and democracy do you think he would have planned it a little better since the war in Ukraine started 8 fucking years ago. He had 8 years to plan an invasion. 8. To plan and mobilise, he didn’t. Sure he can’t even take territories you lads claim he already had. And why now are Ukraine making advances in Donetsk and Luthansk after 8 years when they couldn’t bate a few lads with shovels up to now?

Open ye’re own fucking eyes and look at it.

Get them back to Minsk and deal in peace

What are you shitting on about? “Nihilistic western dreams”- what?

Putin has laid out clearly what he wants, the same lads who denied he’d invade are saying now it’ll stop if there’s just “peace” now.

You need to read about Russia’s concept of “citizenship”- Russia have used an expanded form of it as a pretext to this war. They say “ethnic” Russians are all one and the same. Have a look at the Baltics and their demographics. Again, there is a reason why Finland and Sweden are joining NATO, after decades of refusal. Look at what the actual Baltic states are saying, ask @balbec what Eastern European states think of Putin and any promises he receives.

It’s pretty obvious why Ukraine are progressing now, they are receiving military support.

It is up to Ukraine to decide on any “peace” deal with Russia, it isn’t up to the West. Until then the collective West needs to support Ukraine.

[Tim_Riggins]

@glenshane

First georgia and then Ukraine…thirteen years later. Not much of a blitzkrieg you must admit.
Some going for a seventy year old- by my reckoning @balbec has until 2035 to get to fuck out of Poland

Yep. Because the fella has spent years “building up his military” from a shitbox to slightly less of a shitbox. His long term strategic aims including the Eurasian Union only came about as he started his third term.

Look at most war mongerers, it doesn’t happen in a year ffs.

[Cheasty]

@Horsebox

No, let’s stop escalating this war and try to start peace talks. Let’s try to save thousands of lives and stop millions from being displaced.

A crazy far right idea no doubt but worth trying all the same.

You can stop lying about what you actually want to happen, Mick.

[Thomas_Brady]

@estebandaface

why now are Ukraine making advances in Donetsk and Luthansk after 8 years

Good question.

Top of the range weaponry. Who profits? … War has always been one of the biggest money makers, if not the biggest.

They did nothing when crimea happened, was that not as much of an invasion of Ukraine as today? Of course the fact that more than half the army and naval personnel in Crimea defected to the Russian side answers that, they saw themselves as Russian. Could that be happening elsewhere, where regions are torn apart by loyalty?

Ukraine had to build and vet their entire army again with the help of many foreign advisors. You had Russia supporting separatists with weapons and the US training Ukrainians and supplying weaponry. But it’s in no way a US/russian proxy war.

[estebandaface]

@Tim_Riggins

“building up his military”

@Tim_Riggins

“citizenship”

@Tim_Riggins

“peace”

@Tim_Riggins

“ethnic”

@Tim_Riggins

“peace”

you’re some gimp in fairness

[Cheasty]

@estebandaface

And i was called a fascist, racist for months. You’d expect an apology from someone normal

You’ve been making excuses for fascists and racists for months? Yes?

[Tim_Riggins]

@Horsebox

Any designs Putin may have had on any other countries will have evaporated by now. He can’t hold a tiny proportion of one country nevermind invadaing other countries. He is a lunatic but even he must see that now. The smart choice now is to give him some sort of off ramp to save face. The alternative is a bogged down war in Eastern Ukraine going on for years costing thousands of lives that will eventually end in peace talks anyway or else an escalation of the war which will cost millions of lives and possibly nuclear war. That’s just the reality of the situation.

It is about spheres of influence.

He wants them under Russia’s trade and military banner. Putin wants that back.

You used the Zero Covid analogy but it’s actually the opposite. The Russian nuclear threat is the same as “oh no, he’ll cut off the gas”. You claim above he must surely be rational now but go on about nuclear war ffs.

The long term subjugation of populations has an impact too. Compare and contrast the economic and health of Eastern Europeans in the EU vs. the likes of Ukraine.

[Tim_Riggins]

If you can’t rebute the post then fine, just use the next few days for a bit of Googling like you did after you made a tit of yourself on “EU militarisation”. I’d rather you spent a few days bettering yourself than throwing around ableist insults like gimp.

[estebandaface]

@Tim_Riggins

Putin wants that back.

Putin isn’t Russia. Do you think Putin embodies an entire Superpower? He has a limited shelf life. It’s taken him 8 years to start losing a war in a small part of Ukraine where he has supreme military advantages. He is no threat to our freedom. Zero.
Russia is being eaten alive by sanctions and unrest. Keep pressure there. Keep political pressure everywhere.
Escalating the war should be the last, not first choice.

Get them to Minsk to reopen talks on already agreed treaties. Which were led by France and Germany already. I think you’ll see fairly quickly there is no desire for any further conflict in Russia

[estebandaface]

Don’t be a condescending gimp then

also, lookup gimp

[gaillimhmick]

@TheUlteriorMotive

Same lads who wouldn’t leave house because of Covid want to roll the dice on nuclear Armageddon.

Ya couldn’t make it up!

[estebandaface]

and lads, when Russia is weakend and put back in it’s box… this doesn’t get any better. A weak Russia will lead to about half a dozen dirty conflicts wars along it’s borders. A couple of absolute fucking lunatics are being held in check because of fear of Russian rebuttal.

[Tim_Riggins]

Gimp is ableist language, that’s where the insult comes from. We all say things from time to time in an unthinking matter but would prefer you engage with points rather than resorting to that.

[Thomas_Brady]

It keeps war and Russia all firmly away from the US. Russia dug in long term and Ukraine indebted to the US. The Euro losing more strength and US supplying gas to Europe in the billions of dollars… You’d almost laugh if it wasn’t so fucked up and costing innocent Ukrainians their lives… But this is about good v evil. We must fight on till the bitter end.

[estebandaface]

@Tim_Riggins

You used the Zero Covid analogy but it’s actually the opposite. The Russian nuclear threat is the same as “oh no, he’ll cut off the gas”. You claim above he must surely be rational now but go on about nuclear war ffs.

I’d prefer you weren’t so condescending all the time but such is life.

There’s no point debating points when it’s all just so ludicrous to you. On your bike

[Tim_Riggins]

@estebandaface

Putin isn’t Russia. Do you think Putin embodies an entire Superpower? He has a limited shelf life. It’s taken him 8 years to start losing a war in a small part of Ukraine where he has supreme military advantages. He is no threat to our freedom. Zero.
Russia is being eaten alive by sanctions and unrest. Keep pressure there. Keep political pressure everywhere.
Escalating the war should be the last, not first choice.

Get them to Minsk to reopen talks on already agreed treaties. Which were led by France and Germany already. I think you’ll see fairly quickly there is no desire for any further conflict in Russia

Rome isn’t Caesar
Napoleon isn’t France
Hitler isn’t Germany

…

The ideology that has driven Russia to this is centuries established and has enjoyed a revival under the likes of Aleksandr Dugin.

[Tim_Riggins]

@estebandaface

I’d prefer you weren’t so condescending all the time but such is life.

There’s no point debating points when it’s all just so ludicrous to you. On your bike

I think someone making up some weird term like Western nihilism and talking about condescending is pretty funny.

You’ve resorted to this now as after you threw out an ableist slur you don’t have much left in the locker. I’m encouraging you like after you made a tit of yourself on “EU militarisation” that you go off and do some reading. You can then come back and discuss this like a grown up.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Thomas_Brady

It keeps war and Russia all firmly away from the US. Russia dug in long term and Ukraine indebted to the US. The Euro losing more strength and US supplying gas to Europe in the billions of dollars… You’d almost laugh if it wasn’t so fucked up and costing innocent Ukrainians their lives… But this is about good v evil. We must fight on till the bitter end.

Russian gas in Europe is done. I know lads are a bit pissed off about prices but that’s the reality.