You seem to wilfully ignore the notion that Putin had any part in stoking up tensions in Eastern Ukraine.
Of course there are Cunts on both sides of the fence in Ukraine, it is a USSR breakaway state but there is very little info from what I can garner of real flare ups before 2014.
You seem to blame right leaning Ukrainians for terrorising Russian leaning Eastern Ukrainians but all reports again seem to indicate that these radical groups were small in membership?
Says the neocon 
You asked me to provide something from before 2010. What exactly is your issue with learning something useful. Hiding behind utter bullshit like âall reports seem to indicateââŚdo you think this fools anyone?
You have to consider here that @glenshaneâs first order go to in contrarianism was to find these views.
He doesnât have enough about him to go further.
The reality is that the ousted President of Ukraine in 2014 had wanted to go deeper with Europe. This was his election promise and he knew he was goosed if he didnât do this- remember he was always seen as the Pro Russian one so that was how he got the middle ground to vote for him. Glenshane likes to paint it as the poor downtrodden Eastern Ukrainians who desperately wanted to stay with Mother Russia when it was actually big business in Eastern Ukraine and their political stooges that pressurised him to go the other way. He stood up to them but two things happened. Firstly the menacing West who supposedly wanted to take Ukraine away from Russia wouldnât go down the couch to find the spare change he needed to fund the losses coming from turning on Russia. Secondly, Putin stumped up with some cash.
He can be viewed as a sympathetic figure in that regard.
At every juncture in this narrative on the West/NATO taking away âRussiaâs propertyâ it falls over because the US/EU/U.K. have never uniformly backed states like Georgia and Ukraine into their full âorbitâ. The narrative on Georgia that in 2008 it was dastardly Bush and others bringing Georgia in- reality, NATO fudged it when Georgia desperately wanted in. In 2014 the EU wouldnât pay the relative pittance to bring Ukraine closer to them. Meanwhile Putin has stumped up both cash and boots on the ground in these areas.
Any chance you could rewrite that in English?
Again childish. Are you saying war is never justified because the poorest suffer?
Seems most people donât want to understand why and how events unfolded to the invasion. You canât resolve this sad episode without understanding how we got here. Itâs just good and bad with necons being the good guys and everyone else being bad.
So youâre saying that the Germans and French, who rejected the Iraq invasion, are neocons?
Youâll have to ask the guys on here who just view the world through good and bad guy lense.
Can somebody explain why pretty much every actual Nazi in the west treats Putin as a hero?
What are you blabbing about. I was asked a question on do i think Russia should be punished for the invasion. Your comprehension skills are really shocking for a private school boy.
Nope- you said this is âneoconsâ. Thatâs just historically inaccurate in how you are framing this conflict. Do you not have a bit more about you rather than reaching for nearly 20 year old foreign policy narratives?
Whatâs the difference between a Nazi and an actual Nazi.
Is the first one an adjective and the second a noun and only the second should be capitalized ?
You said the poorest would suffer.
You keep saying you would push for Ukraine to go for peace - ie youâd be happy enough to tell them to go for âpeaceâ so your life is a little easier. Thatâs the reality, you donât actually care about poor and innocent people.
If the shoe fits, why change it?
Iâve been proved 100% correct on this war so far, sadly. Itâs always amusing to see supporters of corporatism and the US murder machine weigh in with their moral indignation and righteousness. Of course, itâs not the least bit funny as people are being slaughtered every day⌠But hey, thatâs just war man.
In relation to Russia being punished i said it sounds great in theory but the aim and consequences should be weighed up as extreme punishment would only really punish the poor and alienate Russia further from the world⌠Itâs a very moderate view that youre struggling to comprehend.
NahâŚyou just havenât developed your thinking for 20 years.
Itâs up to Ukraine to decide if they want peace- not westerners pissed off that energy is more expensive.
No conspiracy theorist headbanger has ever believed they have ever been proved anything other than 100% correct on everything theyâve ever said, and you are no different.
Itâs why youâre so easy to dismiss as a fool.
No one has said otherwise.
Again, childish.
The unfortunate reality is Russia like Germany once upon a time needs to be brought to heel at some stage. That is going to be because of their own actions because itâs an ideology that makes invasions like this again inevitable. You know that Russia considers all ethnic Russians as basically citizens? Their laws allow for action to be taken against any other country that they deem to be suppressing their citizens. Thatâs why Baltic states are not buying into your pleas for âpeaceâ. Russia can use any pretext they like- like how Ukraine was run by fascist Nazis.