Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 2) - Neocons Strike Back

Isn’t it mad when you hear about all this high tech weaponry etc that it still all comes back to sticking thousands of young men in trenches until they get blown to bits.

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Young people*

Equal opportunity Butchers

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You’re not even a spoofer, you’re a blatant liar. If maidan wasn’t a coup then there’s never been a coup. The fact that the americans even signalled their intent makes your nonsense even more puerile. The Ukrainians could change government at the next election. Thats not in dispute. The fact that the US was pulling the same stunt elsewhere should make you ashamed.
The biden administration. A corrupt degenerate that lied blatantly about his support for the iraq war, an ardent advocate for eternal war like nuland, a ratheon executive for a defense secretary, a party that just voted to sanction aid to earthquakehit syria…this is your camelot? My god.
And you know very little about history, and you certainly lack the critical facilties to interpret and demonstrate what little you do know.

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Good grief. It’s difficult to know where to start with this, so the kindest thing to do is to leave it as the on the record ranting of a madman.

Its not mad at all…its basic economics. An f14 costs 40 million usd. A squadron of teenagers costs fuck all. As tom paulin described a British soldier standing in south derry, “happy and expendable, like a brass cartridge”

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Start with biden lying about his support for the iraq war

After 9-11 what politician either Republican or Democrat didn’t support the Iraq invasion?

Why are you going after Biden alone on that? Were all Trumps administration top to bottom anti Iraq invasion?

Ah come on chief.

College students joined by Citizens young & old was a coup?

The reaction to peaceful protest definitely ignited a coup but the slaughter of protesters gets a pass by you?

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The reason a lot of politicians voted for the Iraq War is that they were presented with evidence that was fraudulent. I think they should have had the wit and the cop on to realise that it was fraudulent, because it was already obvious by 2001 that the Republican party was an out of control lunatic asylum, and it was obvious from soon after 9/11 that Bush and the neo-cons wanted a war against Iraq, but these politicians were presented with evidence nonetheless, so there is at least some excuse for them.

Plus, fraudulent and obscene and immoral as the war was, it was not like the US was invading a free democracy or trying to erase a country and a people, but going to war against one of the worst regimes on earth, a regime which gassed the Kurds to death and slaughtered the Shia and made everyday life a misery. Neither did America “kill a million people” in Iraq, the actual number they killed was a tiny fraction of that. Fanatics in Iraq were more than capable of butchering each other and civilians. The neo-cons either didn’t realise this because they were simpletons who genuinely believed that a market-based democracy was an infallible cure for all trouble (Perle), or didn’t care (the rest of them).

The Iraq War was an immoral, obscene fraud. Russia’s war against Ukraine is far, far worse. And plenty of those who vocally opposed the war in Iraq have now demonstrated that they were never actually opposed to war at all, but merely opposed to American led war. Russian led imperial slaughter and the attempt to erase a country and genocide an entire people is just fine in their eyes.

This is a new rhetorical device to go along with yhe “it seems to me…some might say…many would argue” vapour? Do you think it’s fooling anyone?
Here’s some light reading for you, not that youve any notion of growing the fuck up

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

None of what you posted there is written by any sort of good faith actor but by blithering idiots or trolls. Seumas Milne, FFS sake, you might as well have posted something by Mick Wallace. :joy:

You seem to rely entirely on links and obfuscation, unable to come up with your own words.

Did you never go to school?

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Mate, you’re actually offering half assed excuses for the iraq war. You’re an uneducated joke.

You seem very rattled.

Hey chief, relax you kaks.

Anything for me pre 2010 for example?

It’s probably worth going back to trotsky but this would give you some idea regarding the basis of Ukrainian nationalism, and it’ll set some context for ww2

Unless there’s a huge change soon, with the influx of tanks and maybe some airforce, this could be a unmitigated disaster for Ukraine… They cant sustain the losses and the west can’t keep the ammo coming quick enough. It’s desperately sad.

A child like view of the world.

Given that you’re an expert this stuff, could you not explain it in your own words?