I am naturally inclined towards legalization but do we really have enough evidence that it works yet? I know there is the likes of Portugal where it was partly liberalised but isn’t there incomplete data there on usage? Isn’t it also the case that they just changed the law to what the cops were doing beforehand anyway?
Whilst it might have reduced HIV and some other horrible diseases which is a good thing of course, if we end up with more users of heroin is that really a good thing?
Sorry to hear that mate.
It probably runs counter to what we’d all think naturally but the only solution to the drug crisis is to legalize, regulate and tax.
I would go as far as to legalize heroin
Seriously now. Sure make rape, prostitution, legal there too. You fight crime, you fight drugs, the poppy is coming from Afganastáin they’d be the richest country in the world if you made that legal. You’d be wearing a towel as a hat in two years time
Condolences to your friend @Corksfinedtboy but the thread title is extremely inaccurate in my opinion.
Ireland is neither a sad nor fucked up place
He was a scumbag who had terrorised a lot of the local community along with his little gang.
If we banned alcohol we’d end up with less alcoholics
If we banned cigarettes less people would die of lung cancer and heart disease
I don’t think it would be a good thing to ban either
It wouldn’t be like the IRA to attempt to blacken someone’s name, to ‘legitimise’ their actions, at all of course.
It wasn’t the IRA who told me.
That’s simplistic, that is here and now.
If we got rid of food regulations as well, we would have cheaper food but poorer quality and potentially harmful foods.
I am not necessarily against the decriminalization of heroin, but I’m not sure I go with the “let’s just let it in and tax it” argument. Not even Portugal do that, the evidence also shows that from the vices you mention above, the State becomes heavily reliant on them for tax revenue.
Let us just suppose we allow heroin in and tax it. We use the proceeds to pay for safe injection centres and drug rehabilitation centers- but the usage goes up. Is that worthwhile? Is it moral? Whilst we can say over and over that “the drug war has failed”, the fact is that there is a degree of difficulty in acquiring drugs does limit the use of them.
One thing that is definite in that a young lad was lured to that shed and beaten by about ten men. Every bone in his body was broken. That is utterly despicable and cowardly and anyone who tries to justify that is messed up in the head.
And many locals would have had little sympathy for him given the level of grief he and his gang were causing the local community.
There was a time the likes of Paul Quinn and his cronies were kept in line, now there is a generation of these types who are coming along who have no fear of repercussions in acting as they do.
It’s not simplistic - alcohol and cigarettes kill many more people than heroin does - if they were banned less people would die from their harmful effects but you would get a massive black market in both
That’s effectively what has happened as regards heroin
That also isn’t to necessarily compare their harmfulness as substances (heroin clearly causes more immediate and worse negative effects than alcohol or cigarettes, whose damaging effects tend to become apparent over a much longer time frame) or to argue that heroin should be legalised full stop - I’m not arguing that
Nevertheless, you mention food regulations which are clearly a good thing - yet heroin is completely unregulated
That said it is clearly for the benefit of society that certian things are banned - hate speech is one - quack medical cures are another, and “therapies” like gay conversion “therapy” which don’t work and lead to damaging psychological effects are another
In a free society people will always choose paths that have deeply negative outcomes, it’s unavoidable and a consequence both of the inherent fallibility of the human character and of the globalisation of trade in the world - there was no heroin problem before the 1970s in Ireland because there was little if any heroin here
Porn addiction will likely become one of the next big problems among young people if it isn’t already a big problem - that has been brought about by technology - it’s a problem that could not have happened 20 years ago because there was little access to porn
The fake news problem is one that has been enabled by technology
There is no silver bullet solution to drug use - only a range of measures such as decriminalisation of use rather than supply, treating addicts with compassion and looking to measures which work in other countries etc., but most of all education and making young people feel they have a stake in society so they don’t start using heroin can help to mitigate the problem - most people start using it because they have little hope for their prospects in life
I am responding the idea of legalization and taxing of heroin.
I don’t think it’s a particularly good idea to do both.
Half of these cunts are cowards, strong in groups of two and 3. A community needs to get together and fuck them out burn them out of their homes. Get 20 or 30 ppl stand outside their door every night until they leave.
I think very few people other than hardcore “libertarians” believe that such should be done, though the “libertarian” nut jobs would do away with the tax bit
I agree with everything you said, we’re after changing socially/ morally
I agree
I was responding to someone who suggested it.
I totally agree but concerned parents against drugs/ paramilitaries/ Garda are equally stumped with how to deal with these vermin, several have been shot dead in CORK by paramilitaries ( real IRA) but it didnt change anything permanently
Cant happen bud,my own brother died of an overdose of heroin,taxing it will only drive it further underground,only my personal opinion mind
It’s a quagmire, although in Holland they’ve gone someway to address it , here each successive government have buried their heads up their arses