Sinn Fein - Populism and Partionism

[artfoley]

@Biff_Egan

Poor Hugo gets dragged into various NWO conspiracy theories due to his time at Goldman Sachs when as I understand he was some middle manager in the Irish division as opposed to a true illuminati member.

hes no suds, who incidentally was FG royalty

[tallback]

@artfoley

@Tim_Riggins

I didn’t want to harp on about this, but given Mary Lou McDonald’s hypocritical stance that her TD’s should not face questions into their recently revealed conduct/public utterances, it’s time for people to look behind the varnished veneer of SF towards the rest of their PP (1/n)

Going alphabetically.
Chris Andrews (TD - DBS) had been an FF Cllr on DCC, until he was exposed for running a highly misogynistic & defamatory Twitter account. He jumped from FF to SF as he was facing expulsion. Mary Lou has never asked him to explain his behaviour. (2/n)

John Brady (TD - Wicklow).
SF’s foreign affairs spokesman faces calls to explain sharing social media posts defending the Syrian dictator, Bashar al-Assad, in the wake of his use of chemical weapons, and even claiming it was a false flag attack. (3/n)

Martin Browne (TD - Tipp)
Browne got himself in hot water recently for comments on the PIRA campaign, saying SF should stop apologizing for the death and destruction caused. He is in further bother relating to a link he posted on Facebook to false 9/11 conspiracy theories. (4/n)

Réada Cronin (TD - Kildare N)
Cronin was embroiled in controversy earlier this year when antisemitic social media posts were brought to light where she actively promoted an odd conspiracy theory that Mossad had intervened in the UK general election against Jeremy Corbyn. (5/n)

David Cullinane (TD - Waterford)
On his re-election last February, Cullinane courted controversy when video of his victory speech apparently glorifying the PIRA campaign emerged. (6/n)

Pa Daly (TD - Kerry)
In June, Daly was found to have broken Covid19 restrictions, travelling 60km to attend a SF activist’s funeral. Although many would have sympathy for the reason, many more who could not see off loved ones remain annoyed Daly received no reprimand. (7/n)

Pearse Doherty (TD - Donegal)
Doherty appeared alongside Gerry Adams at the now infamous Storey funeral. Covid regs on both sides of the border prohibited his attendance. Yet he did, and even played a prominent role in the mock paramilitary style burial. Storey was cremated (8/n)

Thomas Gould (TD - Cork NC)

Another one of the Bobby Storey funeral attendees in breach of Covid regulations. Attempted to claim that all regs, including physical distancing were adhered to despite clear evidence to the contrary. (9/n)

Johnny Guirke (TD - Meath West)

Guirke was quick to defend his college Cullinane following the latter’s PIRA glorifying celebration in February. He’s not been as quick to speak about bullying/intimidation allegations within SF in his locality that saw a young woman resign (10/n)

Ruairí Ó Murchú (TD - Louth)

Another of the posse who flaunted Covid-19 travel restrictions and hoped the border to attend the Bobby Storey funeral. (11/n)

Darren O’Rourke (TD - Meath E)

Appeared on local radio recently to defend the practice within SF of sending former IRA convicts to activists houses to tell them to delete social media posts critical of the party or certain individuals. (12/n)

Patricia Ryan (TD - Kildare S)

Ryan came to prominence as a new TD that went on holiday in the last week of the election campaign. It was, this week, discovered that she too had actively spread bizarre 9/11 conspiracy theories on her social media. (13/n).

Aengus Ó Snodaigh (TD - DSC)

The exact circumstances surrounding the infamous ‘Inkgate’ affair where the Deputy’s Oireachtas office supposedly used €50,000 in ink cartridges between 2007 & 2008 has never been fully explained sufficiently (IMO anyway). (14/n)

Brian Stanely (TD - Laois/Offaly)

The TD’s who’s comments kicked all this off recently. Not only did his comments about PIRA campaign get him in trouble but allegedly homophobic comments and conspiracy theory peddling have also come to light from his social media accounts (15/n)

Violet Anne Wynne (TD - Clare)

Wynne quickly found notoriety post her election following revelations that she had left a housing charity in the whole for €12k in rent arrears. The charity was forced to shut down. She was also discovered to have shared antivaxx sentiment. (16/n)

This is not an exhaustive list but a list including incidents that have been brushed aside by SF’s leadership. These aren’t historic either, most of these happened within the last year. SF isn’t alone in having less than perfect standards by any means, however, the… (17/n)

…sudden portrayal of that party as representing some form of new standard in politics is patently false. Mary Lou’s insistence on her TD’s not facing questions for their bad behaviour, while demanding the opposite of all other shows SF leadership acting in bad faith. (18/n)

By all means, if SF’s supposed policies are in line with yours (despite them enacting many of the opposite policies in Govt in NI) then give them a vote. However, if you’ve voting SF because you think they’re progressive or woke, then review this thread and think again. (19/19)

https://twitter.com/eoinneylon/status/1338542718570606599?s=21

even taking all of the above into account, it doesnt get near the crimes of one FG TD, michael Noonan. care to comment on him or do you need a dossier on all FGers?

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that you’ve gone full Shinner at this stage.

[artfoley]

@tallback

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that you’ve gone full Shinner at this stage.

its even harder to escape the conclusion that youve significantly lost the plot. your 95 shinner theses above is a sign of a man whos seriously rattled.

ill judge the shinners by their actions byu when theyre in govt in ROI, just as im just the blueshirts and the brown envelopes by their actions in govt.

now to michael noonan, which shinner tweet do you think was worse than noonans treatment of brigid mccole, or grace?

[Tim_Riggins]

@artfoley

its even harder to escape the conclusion that youve significantly lost the plot. your 95 shinner theses above is a sign of a man whos seriously rattled.

ill judge the shinners by their actions byu when theyre in govt in ROI, just as im just the blueshirts and the brown envelopes by their actions in govt.

now to michael noonan, which shinner tweet do you think was worse than noonans treatment of brigid mccole, or grace?

That seems a bit bizarre to me, you were more than happy to lay it onto Barry Cowen for example. He was out of Government - are issues of character and performance only relevant for “FFG”?

On the second point and Noonan & the usual secondary deflection tactic - once again, if we are to accept the argument that “FFG” are beyond saving and SF will be a breath of fresh air, then the comparisons need to be drawn to the other opposition parties. Are you saying that you find Sinn Féin a rosier party than the Soc Dems, for example?

[tallback]

@artfoley

@tallback

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that you’ve gone full Shinner at this stage.

its even harder to escape the conclusion that youve significantly lost the plot. your 95 shinner theses above is a sign of a man whos seriously rattled.

ill judge the shinners by their actions byu when theyre in govt in ROI, just as im just the blueshirts and the brown envelopes by their actions in govt.

now to michael noonan, which shinner tweet do you think was worse than noonans treatment of brigid mccole, or grace?

It’s not my thesis unless you want to unmask me as some slightly odd FF twitter lad.

Your newfound ability to quickly leap in with whataboutery, when any sort of criticism is levelled at your clearly beloved Sinn Fein, is nearly at @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy levels.

It’s ok, you can come clean here and tell us that you’re fully onboard the Shinner train. Do you think its shameful to admit it?

[artfoley]

@Tim_Riggins

That seems a bit bizarre to me, you were more than happy to lay it onto Barry Cowen for example. He was out of Government - are issues of character and performance only relevant for “FFG”?

On the second point and Noonan & the usual secondary deflection tactic - once again, if we are to accept the argument that “FFG” are beyond saving and SF will be a breath of fresh air, then the comparisons need to be drawn to the other opposition parties. Are you saying that you find Sinn Féin a rosier party than the Soc Dems, for example?

any observations of cowen were in relation to his appointment and dismissal as minister.

ill ask the question again, which of those tweets are worse than noonans actions?

@tallback

It’s not my thesis unless you want to unmask me as some slightly odd FF twitter lad.

Your newfound ability to quickly leap in with whataboutery, when any sort of criticism is levelled at your clearly beloved Sinn Fein, is nearly at @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy levels.

It’s ok, you can come clean here and tell us that you’re fully onboard the Shinner train. Do you think its shameful to admit it?

it really hasnt leapt into those sort of levels and if you were seen to be taking the same forensic view to the actions of FFGLAB, youd hardly be clinging onto some social media nonsense.

its hardly whataboutery when youre ignoring the clear wrongdoing

[Corksfinedtboy]

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Yet you defend any of the litany of FG transgressions and utterly astounding level of corruption and cronyism without blinking.

[Tim_Riggins]

@artfoley

any observations of cowen were in relation to his appointment and dismissal as minister.

ill ask the question again, which of those tweets are worse than noonans actions?

So who are going to be Ministers for Sinn Féin then? The standard only starts to apply once your name goes forward for a cabinet Minister?

Again on the second point, you are missing the point of the tweets again. SF are supposed to be a breath of fresh air, if we suppose for a second that everything about “FFG” is rotten, then why not compare them to other opposition parties? Are the only options “FFG” and Sinn Féin?

[artfoley]

@Tim_Riggins

So who are going to be Ministers for Sinn Féin then? The standard only starts to apply once your name goes forward for a cabinet Minister?

Again on the second point, you are missing the point of the tweets again. SF are supposed to be a breath of fresh air, if we suppose for a second that everything about “FFG” is rotten, then why not compare them to other opposition parties? Are the only options “FFG” and Sinn Féin?

so you clearly think that all of the tweets are worse than noonans actions.

thanks for playing

[Tim_Riggins]

@artfoley

so you clearly think that all of the tweets are worse than noonans actions.

thanks for playing

Why can’t you deal with the point raised?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Tim puts his fingers in his ears when the Grace case is mentioned.

[artfoley]

@Tim_Riggins

@artfoley

so you clearly think that all of the tweets are worse than noonans actions.

thanks for playing

Why can’t you deal with the point raised?

youre the one ignoring the question.

i responded to the tweets, asking about noonan and youve studiously ignored that coming back with the question, but ignoring mine.

anyhoo, the actions of someone in opposition are infinitely different than those in power and should be judged accordingly

[the_man_himself]

The lad who spelt his own username wrong laughing at that

[artfoley]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Tim puts his fingers in his ears when the Grace case is mentioned.

noonan should never have been let near the grace case as he should have been ran from politics forever for his actions regarding brigid mccole

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

It wasn’t that Noonan was let near the Grace case. It was that he got involved…

[artfoley]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

It wasn’t that Noonan was let near the Grace case. It was that he got involved…

but if hed faced the consequences that he shouldve faced, then he wouldnt have been in any sort of position to get involved.

limericks shame

[Bandage]

@Tim_Riggins

Key difference here. The Sinn Féin activist had a history of facilitating the bomb makers of the Provisional IRA in the 1980s. The the only association the vivacious Jennifer Carroll MacNeill has with bombs was her husband defusing them at full back for Ireland in the same decade.

What’s abhorrent to one person is justifiable to another. While I’d certainly be very uncomfortable with his past activity and would even go so far as to call it disgusting, I don’t think MacNeill playing rubby for Ireland should preclude his spouse from becoming involved in the Irish political scene.

[Tim_Riggins]

@artfoley

youre the one ignoring the question.

i responded to the tweets, asking about noonan and youve studiously ignored that coming back with the question, but ignoring mine.

anyhoo, the actions of someone in opposition are infinitely different than those in power and should be judged accordingly

Once again, the point of the thread was that SF are a breath of fresh air. It is implied all of your hatred of FFG is justified.

So why not compare them to other opposition parties? Why is that so challenging for you?

[glasagusban]

@artfoley

ROI

You fuckin tan.