Sinn Fein - Populism and Partionism

[glasagusban]

I think you’ve stretched your thesis to its limits and beyond there.

Personally I don’t think SF will be much better at governing than FF or FG, they’ll probably be about as bad, which is entirely fair and reasonable.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

I think you’ve stretched your thesis to its limits and beyond there.

But you don’t explain how.

[Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr]

That little vignette neatly sums up Irish politics.

I’ll do this for you if you do this for me.

Then both decide to fuck each other up.

[maroonandwhite]

@Juhniallio

Scenario 1. SF Go into government. They do even a third of what they say they can an Ireland becomes a better place with more affordable housing and a less divided society.
Scenario 2. SF go into government and turn out to be as shit as FFG. The emperor does indeed have no clothes. Then the electorate realise there are no magic beans and all parties are judged on their merits rather than horseshit they pretend they can or will do.

You ignore scenario 3, SF are way way worse than FFG or anything that we’d comprehend and do immesurable damage to the economy and other areas of Irish life.

Scenario 1- have you ignored SF blocking developments all over the country recently?

They are a magic beans party. The whole party tactic seems to be send well coached Pearse Doherty to every public debate, is he going to be their new dictator? More than any other parties voters, theirs want tax cuts over more money spent on public works. More than any other party! SF struck a vein of people who think they ‘deserve’ things. And what about the scum element SF are tied in with, or are themselves, criminal scum. You want a party who brought a Garda’s killers to meetings and cheered them to have authority? It amazes me that a few empty brain-dead promises fool people into thinking they all of a sudden are decent. Pure populism.

[Ashman]

I think when SF say they have crushed FF the reality is that they have become FF .

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@maroonandwhite

You ignore scenario 3, SF are way way worse than FFG or anything that we’d comprehend and do immesurable damage to the economy and other areas of Irish life.

Worse than two parties who together in little over a decade have created crises in health and housing, caused a recession and burdened a national debt on its citizens for generations to come?

Even if they tried to be as incompetent and self serving as FFG, they couldn’t possibly do as bad a job.

[Cheasty]

@Ashman

I think when SF say they have crushed FF the reality is that they have become FF .

The reason SF did well in rural constituencies where Labour didn’t is that they have that nationalist, populist edge. It appeals to the old FF Haugheyite constituency or its descendants, it appeals to the types who vote for the batshit rural independents too. The left clothes they don means they appeal to former Labour voters too. They appeal to the disaffected, low information voters, cranks and conspiracists. They have a foot in nearly every camp, the only one which remains to be colonised is the business class.

FF internally was a coalition which straddled rural and urban, the business class and trade unionists, working class, middle class and upper class, conservative Catholics and the non-religious, men and women, GAA people, association football people and rugby people. They had a foot everywhere. In their earlier days they were the party of young people in the way Sinn Fein is now.

FF always had a populist, nationalist edge and an arrogance about them. Sinn Fein’s arrogance and insistence on internal party discipline is what marks them out as being in this for the long haul. But eventually that leads to stagnation and ideological bankruptcy. You need some dissent in a party or it quickly becomes decrepit. Cults don’t work.

[maroonandwhite]

Caused a recession

And yeah SF are brain dead scum who appeal to freebie merchants and lads who think they are big tough volunteers like yourself. They wouldn’t have a breeze how to run a country when they can’t run to westminister for handouts

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@maroonandwhite

Caused a recession

And yeah SF are brain dead scum who appeal to freebie merchants and lads who think they are big tough volunteers like yourself. They wouldn’t have a breeze how to run a country when they can’t run to westminister for handouts

Caused a recession?

Are you saying they didn’t?

My word.

The two parties in power haven’t had a breeze how to run a country, have decades and decades of corruption and incompetence to shown for their power.

And that’s why they will lose power.

The fact that SF are the unifying thing yourself and Sid can agree on really says it all.

[maroonandwhite]

Roar away there under the blanket of the British state, while fantasising that your carer is oppressing you and you’d fight them leave reality to serious political parties.

[Cheasty]

Blathering barstool bluster as usual from the cheerleader for the administerers of British rule in Ireland.

To be fair that’s pretty much all actual Sinn Fein politicians come out with.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@maroonandwhite

Roar away there under the blanket of the British state, while fantasising that your career is oppressing you and you’d fight them leave reality to serious political parties.

Like ones who cause crises in health and housing, burden generations of its citizens with national debt and caused a recession?

They are the serious political parties in your eyes.

Telling.

[Cheasty]

The really serious political parties have Italians inside them, ratting out hapless, gullible patsies to the Brits.

[maroonandwhite]

They are and like all small independent countries they aren’t perfect but they turned Ireland into a proper country from a very meagre start. Meanwhile you accept handouts your entire life from an empire, but pretend you hate them. Telling.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@maroonandwhite

They are and like all small independent countries they aren’t perfect but they turned Ireland into a proper country from a very meagre start. Meanwhile you accept handouts your entire life from an empire, but pretend you hate them. Telling.

I don’t accept handouts.

You seem to be dealing in inaccurate portrayals. SF want a United and independent Ireland, that is the mandate they are voted in on. I would not expect a small minded racist like yourself to have any appreciation of that. Instead you vote for parties with a track record in corrupt practices and utter incompetence.

[maroonandwhite]

I knew I had you well pegged with the hand outs shout you are getting emotional now and name calling. Concern yourself with your own affairs, fantasise away about freedom fighting, along with your several other fantasy personas and leave a small independent country out of them. Doesn’t concern you in the slightest anyway.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Name calling?

I think most people on here acknowledge you’re a full blown racist. It’s clear as day you are not informed on what you are talking about but it doesn’t stop you running your mouth off.

[maroonandwhite]

Shrieking now hysterically. Did you get your new colour British passport yet?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Not really.

I wouldn’t pay much heed to what a racist says.

The fact that you’re also pretending that FF didn’t oversee a recession that caused you to piss off to Canada for a few year is funny really.

[maroonandwhite]

Caused me? I went by choice. I left by choice too, not like you ran from Galway when you couldn’t leave your Mark.