Sinn Fein - Populism and Partionism

[anon98850436]

That’s the biggest horse shit I’ve ever read.

[Special_Olympiakos]

That’s not at all what I’m interested in. I don’t care what he says beyond the government acted like they were surprised by the aib decision when they knew about it. Makes no arse to me if they shut down all their branches . Dishonesty is dishonesty no matter how many look over there deflections are employed to distract

[Tim_Riggins]

@anon98850436

No. They have okay wages and the old ones decent pensions. Most probably live in Dublin.

Outside of Dublin there is a cohort of elderly people and others budgeting from week to week. They probably only deal with cash, some probably only deal with the teller in the bank.

Life moves on but what about society? It’s like saying pensioners should start paying for the bus or the tv licence. AIB at the moment is owned by the state and as long as that remains then they need to think of society as a whole.

Thatcher devalued teachers, nurses, police so much they ended up with no one entering the profession. Is that the Society you want to live in?
We need to sort out housing or else there will be no teachers or nurses in Dublin in 10 years!!!

So yes then. As I said, the DoF officials didn’t give a fuck. They aren’t politicians.

This is not a serious reputational risk to the State. This is an operational decision that rational third parties would make but poses a problem politically.

I would be more concerned about the tracker scandal not reaching the ears of the State earlier.

[anon98850436]

@Tim_Riggins

Nah, the number 1 reason that SF want power is to try and whitewash their murder campaign.

No one under 40 remembers that! Mary Lou and Pearse were in South Armagh? Pearse was at taxi ranks singing Ra songs

[Special_Olympiakos]

The state owned 98% of aib not too long ago. They are obliged to let minister of finance know decisions of this magnitude. As I said I don’t think it’s a big deal closing banks , pretending to be surprised by it because the voter base was up in arms is my issue. It’s a lie.

[anon98850436]

@Tim_Riggins

Number 2 is for more jobs and pensions (similar to most politicians) for themselves. For the failed soldiers up North, they already have jobs and pensions courtesy of the British tax payer though through their administration of British rule there. The key goal of a SF southern administration is getting the boys from Belfast to be seen like the War of Independence types.

More horse shit. Most of their Dail staff are young. Fuck sake have you seen the wages on their jobs page

[Tim_Riggins]

@Special_Olympiakos

That’s not at all what I’m interested in. I don’t care what he says beyond the government acted like they were surprised by the aib decision when they knew about it.

DoF officials knew about it. They treated it as an operational issue.

It’s not some smoking gun issue. It is clearly damaging for the government and I expect Doherty to go down this line. But let’s be real about it.

[glasagusban]

A question for you, at what point did the civil war parties break from their past (in FG’s their fascist last) and become legitimate political parties? At what point does SF become a legitimate political party?

I think SF will probably do equally as bad a job as FF or FG in most areas but I expect they’ll improve the housing crisis and possibly health, even if it’s just by shifting policy a bit.

[anon98850436]

That’s politics. Do you not remember John O’Donoghue man marking Nora Owen! He practically got Bertie in

[Tim_Riggins]

@anon98850436

More horse shit. Most of their Dail staff are young. Fuck sake have you seen the wages on their jobs page

I know one of them. He used to be in PbP, relatively smart. Not smart enough to see the type of party he’s joined. He is going to be claiming betrayal in a few years.

Of course those types want jobs.

But the strategy drivers of the party have been sorted out for the last 25 years. No doubt the front bench all want jobs. It’s clearly a motivation, but it isn’t number 1 for SF.

Number 1 will be to try to normalise their campaign.

[Thomas_Brady]

He’s a wum.

[Tim_Riggins]

Yeah I get that. Not criticising Doherty for it, just saying it is all the same book of populism.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

Globally people are very complacent about democracy because they look back at last 50 years of 20th century and see it all worked out. It did but it was not a foregone conclusion. It may not this time.

I don’t think democracy is at threat in Ireland. But there’s a complacency about Ireland’s economic success from people
who don’t remember the 1980s in Ireland.

We’ve seen an economic miracle and that continuing is equally not a foregone conclusion.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

The normalisation of their campaign has already convinced a fair few lads on here that leaving bombs in bins in shopping centres was justified.

[the_man_himself]

Ireland would probably be the best country in the world if they improved housing and health

[Thomas_Brady]

25 years since the GFA.

Very few southern current SF TDs had anything to do with the party prior to that.

It’s just another version of the populism that Tim hates

[Thomas_Brady]

Campaign? Can you elaborate on that please?

[TheUlteriorMotive]

Health is good once you’re in the system but access is rationed. The waiting lists are shameful and destroy lives.

Housing seems to be a problem everywhere right now.

[the_man_himself]

The Irish don’t think other countries have any issues

[Thomas_Brady]

Why should they be concerned with other countries?