BTR will lead to more supply, reduced rents and unlocking family homes wasted on young single renters. There are thousands of units about to hit the Dublin market for example. Castleforbes Road, Spencer Dock, NorthwoodâŚeverywhere.
SF will see that once they get in. Thereâll be some optical changes but thatâs it. EOBâs bullshit of claiming houses can be built for cheaper by ignoring the likes of VAT will drift away once Pearse sees the numbers in the DoF. Those are the kinds of policy issues that only come up once you are in power.
The plan that you mention from SF is nothing new. The âboys from Belfastâ needed to fuck off in 1998 as the goal from then should have been to convince Unionists and fence sitters. That wasnât donât because of reasons number 1 and 2 as I stated above.
In terms of SF overall, I agree they will just be a variant of the others who came before so hopefully donât fuck the economy too much. I am a fence sitter on a UI. I think it makes sense long term but donât want the short term cost or Loyalist anger in the South. That part of me is actually happy with SF. Their continued existence and getting into power in the South means it will be unlikely to happen. The only thing that may prompt a UI will be the Scots going for independence and the Union breaking up.
Continuing on with same old is insanity though. If FG or FF would admit they dropped the ball and learn from it then fair enough but they carry on as though they are doing a great job
Was it good under Cumann na nGaedheal or the Brits?
Because surely you wouldnât be talking about any other time in the last couple of centuries as âFFGâ were in power?
The problem really isnât that people canât own their own home by 35. The problem is rents have been too high. The problem of home ownership becoming harder is an international problem, the problem of high rents is an increasing world problem but acutely in Ireland.
I think things were still worse in previous decades though.
Michael Nooonans policy of building up bank balance sheets is the reason rents are high. Nothing to do with international factors, a bit like FF saying Lehman brothers in 2011 tbh. It was forewarned of course but ignored because the messengers werenât to most peoples liking.
That and populist treks like HAP which keep rents artificially high.
FFG outsourced this country , if they had the balls to stand over their policies Iâd respect them a little. Bought and sold a long time ago sadly.
Mentioned one small thing about @Tim_Riggins top 5 reasons why Sinn fein exist and have been tagged twice in massive meandering diatribes #NotANormalParty
Iâve seen you liking posts with the line âdonât talk about the past, itâs irrelevantâ so I assumed that was your issue.
If itâs on my reason 1 and 2, feel free to dispute. Do you think SFâs existence from 1998 has meaningfully helped a UI? My contention is that their first (unstated) goal is to normalise the campaign they participated in. A UIâŚso what exactly? All political parties in the South support a UI. Itâs an ideology that existed 100+ years before the foundation of SF, a party that was not founded as a Republican Party. The only reason to carry the SF brand going forward is to whitewash the past.
I think the fact that you are liking posts like the above prove my point. The goal has been to make criticism of them moot. That has worked. But the worst thing about it is that we have people deflecting from things that happened in 2005.
There is no one off housing being started. Coupleâs previously approved for mortgages for one offs are now screwed as builders wonât start. Canât start with increase in materials.
Large funds, already committed to offices are renting storage facilities and buying all the fit out materials now, tiles, light fittings, etc so they arenât hit with penalties when they canât get the materials to finish and/or there or they are that expensive to buy theyâd rather the penalties.
Iâm guessing from September/October no new builds whatsoever will start. I know of projects already pulled.
So yet again, all the good trades men, the Government claim to like⌠will be fucked. Thereâs lots of projects still going but what about the ones that were due to start, to keep the lads who just finished a job going?
Get a government housing agency. Re-look at all the Judicial Reviews that dismissed decent planning because of technicalities or dates being wrong. Bat reports not done because it was submitted at the wrong time of year and rather condition it as part of planning, which was normally done, it got thrown out on Judicial review cos one judge said the paperwork was wrong???
A planning application can be about âŹ440k in fees!! This is the reality! Fucked out over a wrong date or bats!
Then get all the out of work builders. And build houses. Who cares what they cost now! Build them and mortgage through the government or rent them. We bailed out the banks and got fuck all back. The childrens hospital is costing more than a small English town. House people and fuck the funds.
That will take balls to do. Maybe balls lads in Belfast have.
Completely agreed but SF have opposed measures to stop this nonsense. There is a cross party support for NIMBYism at a local level as it works to get votes.
The reality is that properly built housing with high zoning and reg specs is expensive. It has to be financed from somewhere.
Eoghan Murphy put through reforms but within 6 months of taking office was blamed for problems years in the making.
SF are against selling public land to private developers.
FG/FF always say Council houses donât bode well, probably citing Ballymun/Tallaght/Finglas as examples, however there were council houses built in Portmarnock/Malahide (the @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy wouldnât walk through it and took the long way to the shop), Swords, on the south side, Blackrock. They may have been rougher individuals (sorry @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy ) but they werenât any Ballymun!
Build council houses on council land! Assist young couples to buy a house. Legislate to stop funds buying family homes 3 and 4 bed houses.
But it is happening internationally. Mary Lou was talking to youngsters in Australia for example, have you looked at the prices there? Or New Zealand?
The price of new homes has grown higher in Europe than Ireland since 2010, rent though has outstripped Europe.
Thatâs the main acute problem in Ireland the last few years.
On NAMAâŚso what? If NAMA had made a loss people would have pissed and moaned. Hindsight junkies for the most part. I think Rory Hearne is a bit of a gobshite but to be fair to him he was calling out issues with housing in those years when everyone else was saying we had built too many for years.
But one of the goals of the hard left is to roll back on the contention that large scale social housing doesnât work. EOB has agreed with that and trots out the usual stuff on there being a lack of facilities and infrastructure in Ballymun.
But at the same time he has cited the O Cualann Model built itself in Ballymun. Part of that was the large scale waving of land development fees. Those site fees would support local infrastructure. So the money for that comes from elsewhere. And in turn there is preferential financial funding from banks. And ultimately in the case of that model, we have had recently a case where a house was sold for significantly more than what it was built for. The State took a share, but this flies in the face of EOBâs criticisms of public and private mixing.
Tax the cunts. Iâm not against funds building apartments. They are well kept, nice to live in, but apartment life is transient. Itâs not a family home.
Rents are far too high. No one can save for a house. Cap rents. Instead of a fund having a return, âŹ2,500 x 12 x 25, have it âŹ1,750 x 12 x 35 or âŹ1,250 x 12 x 50 with a tax incentive, not one that puts up rent. They will still build them, they are still making huge returns. Reduce the rent and assist the tenant, our young people!!!
We are in a housing crises. We need policies that havenât been seen before.
Ireland has the lowest share of apartments in the EU, by far.
Young single renters are living in family homes. Build apartments and housing inventory moves to those who actually need a garden and wonât let it get overgrown.
No. Ireland never had a thing called service charges and hence no one wants to pay them. This hit home especially when the over valued apartments in 2006/7/8 left them in negative equity of a âŹ100/200k, no job and they still needed to fork out âŹ2k and perhaps âŹ30k more for fire defects (thanks to FF policy).
In London, where I lived and came back for Dubs games or NY where you went back to vote for Trump, people understand service charges.
Again, I donât believe apartments are family homes. Funds shouldnt be allowed buy family homes. Rents should be capped. A land agency see above should be put in place.
Apartments are very much family homes in many countries. And many Irish people grew up in flats too. But that is neither here nor there.
In order for Ireland to reach climate targets, we need dense homes meaning more apartments. The good thing is that with our proportion of apartments being so low, we can unlock existing housing stock.
I only know three lads who grew up in flats. One bolloxed from h, one in and out of the joy and one who had the strength to say no to come back from London and spin for the brinks job. Best spinner I was ever in a car with.
Thatâs my experience of flats. No education, no assistance from government! Fuck all.
They built apartments in Kinnegad in 2007 when the place is surrounded by green fields. They built apartments in Charlestown in 2007 when there is acres of green fields across the M50. Why? Greed?? Apartments in Dromod? They could have made a nice village instead of a shithole.
Ask anyone of the residents there, who bought those apartments and STILL in negative equity and now with a child or twoâŚthey want a house with a garden, some room!!! Not a flight of stairs and service charges!
Build apartments in the city! For who? Students, workers under 30. Yes. And build them high. Most families dont want to live there! This isnt a town or bust thingy!! Most families want a 3 bed semi with a garden!
DCC are telling developers to build 1 bed apartments. I know this. DCC know! Families donât want to live in the city! Couples and under 30âs do. That might very well change because some German and Swede tells us itâs for the best for cycling to work or whatever but most Irish people arenât there yet and they want a three bed semi when they start a family.
As for Climate change?? Build a fucking tram down the N2 across Charlestown and across the M50 to acres of green fieldsâŚ
SFâs base is the average working person. Thatâs what really galls Tim and TUM. FFG are the party of equity investment and the market , their party.
Thatâs a real mess of a post. âSF mentioned positive aspects of Copenhagen and Paris but those cities are expensive to live in so SF are wrong or else they want Dublin to be expensive.â
