Sinn Fein - Populism and Partionism

Again you’re avoiding the issue.

What exactly is the “outrage” over?

All the people who are supposedly offended about this tweet, it’s like they seem to assume everybody will know exactly what the “offence” consists of, as if if it’s so obvious it doesn’t need to be said.

The thing is, the “reason” for the “offence” is not obvious at all. It’s so non-obvious that it seems non-existent, I can’t see any reason for offence at all about it.

It’s a hard hitting tweet which doesn’t sugar coat reality, it brings reality home and attaches legitimate historical resonance to that reality. As far as I can see, it’s a bloody good tweet, with a strong message, and that’s what Fine Gael are afraid of, so they’re playing this bogus “offensive” card in an entirely cynical and disingenuous manner.

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There are so many stupid angles to the tweet and about one good angle.

He goes after the guards. That was stupid. Middle Ireland still largely respects the guards and instinctively backs them.

SF:IRA shot lots of guards. Middle Ireland remembers that and has just been reminded of that fact.

SF/IRA doesn’t really recognise the state or the institutions of the state. Middle Ireland has just been reminded of that fact.

SF aspires to government including oversight of the guards. Clearly Eoin OB thinks the guards are political and potentially illegal. That doesn’t sound like stable governance. Middle Ireland has just been alerted to that.

SF has positioned Eoin OB as the intellectual one. Now he comes out with a rabble-rousing emotional tweet. Middle Ireland is thinking maybe he’s not as cool-headed as made out - and he’s meant to be the deep thinking strategic one. That sounds less stable than before.

I’d say Simon Harris et al were cracking up when they saw it landing in their lap.

The upside is that Paddy Cosgrave, lads with either pirate flags or tricolours in their Twitter profiles and apparently you think he nailed it

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If Harris was cracking up, he hasn’t got the response he expected on Twitter.

I couldn’t give a fuck what Paddy Cosgrave thinks. It seems obvious to me that Cosgrave and his operation is likely being funded by Russia to run interference. I don’t think they’re good faith operators at all. I don’t need a cunt like Cosgrave to do my thinking for me, I’m well able to think for myself.

Of course it’s an emotional tweet! It’s meant to stir emotion. Same as Fine Gael mean to stir emotion when they bring up the PIRA. And they themselves are trying to play on emotion and rabble rousing tonight.

We all know the PIRA shot Gardai and I don’t think it’s illegitimate to bring that up in a general sense. But the PIRA doesn’t exist any more.

The whole “offence” thing seems to revolve entirely around it coming from somebody in Sinn Fein. I think that’s an incredibly weak case for “offence”. It also doesn’t change the truth of what the image is and how it relates to reality and to history.

Is how the Gardai are used by the state or the banks or whoever now somehow not subject to legitimate criticism? Is Garda behaviour now somehow not subject to legitimate criticism? Is government policy now somehow not subject to legitimate criticism? Just because it’s coming form a member of Sinn Fein? That’s what all this about as far as I can see.

Fine Gael are angry because a member of Sinn Fein put up a tweet that highlighted what eviction is and what the Gardai’s role in it is. Because it was uncomfortable. And they are doing the same thing the Republicans in the US and the Tories in Britain do, portraying the Gardai as a sacred cow, that any words which are not all singing, all dancing homages to the Gardai are somehow an attempt to undermine the state. Absolute bollocks.

It’s pure manufactured outrage nonsense.

Possibly. But that’s kinda my point - EOB enabled and facilitated outrage that resonates to be generated.

It might have felt good for him in the moment but it wasn’t clever in pursuit of his strategic goal.

The Sindo crowd might think it was a mistake but as far as I can see there’s a much bigger backlash to this manufactured offence taking place online than there was offence to the tweet, because people are seeing through the “offence” for the manufactured nonsense it is.

I’m pretty sure that online is nowhere near representative of the Irish electorate.

Cc @Spidey

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So what’s the point in Harris making a comment on it then?

Well Sinn Fein are leading in the actual polls so actual offline public sentiment seems fairly well disposed to them.

This is an entirely online “controversy”. Those taking “offence” aren’t going to be voting Sinn Fein anyway. And given that those taking “offence” are having such a hard time online explaining why this tweet was supposedly “offensive”, they’re going to have a harder job offline. And when they can’t explain, people are going to wonder and probably assume, is this another desperate hit job by Fine Gael?

Also Sinn Fein are way better at controlling the narrative online because they have younger people who know how to do it. They can simply point to pictures of Gardai in balaclavas at evictions and say “we’re depicting reality”.

For a non SF supporter you seem to have a picture or vision on how they should aim to get elected

I don’t want them in government.

That being said, if I was them and considering their success in the polls so far I’d be essentially replaying the Blair/Brown mid nineties playbook.

What that means is portraying yourself as the responsible gov in waiting. Absolutely staying away from anything that gives FG etc an angle on portraying you as hard-left, IRA, risky, not fit for office.

Some of the stuff that Mary Lou has done re meeting multinationals etc is exactly that and is smart. Pierce roaring his head off, tweets like today or young SF harking back to IRA stuff is less so.

They don’t need to energise their base - that’s already locked in. They need to persuade as many centrist/sway voters to come on board or at least to be not worried about a SF gov that they might stay at home or protest vote to SD or similar.

They need to offer change but not make it too scary

In my opinion

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I like O’Broin and I’m putting this down as a one off stupid tweet that he’ll probably regret. Hes quite intellectual and fails to realise that most of his followers are not enjoy the same high level of historical irony that he’s attempting to express with this tweet.

He’d need to be more careful as he could create animosity toward the Gardai in people that don’t see where he’s going with this.

It’d be a different story if an SF, or any other party, member that had a history of difference with the Gardai posted this.

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Having a go (even indirectly) at the Guards is never really a vote winner and only panders to those who would probably only vote SF anyway. Not to mention there is already a fractious history between republicanism and the GS which requires its own sensitivities.

Silly thing to do. There may be bad apples in the GS but the vast majority of ordinary Joe Soaps in the country would still hold the force in high regard.

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I think the vast majority of Irish people would understand that eviction carries a particular weight of historical notoriety in Ireland.

Those who don’t know that are probably going to vote Sinn Fein anyway, if they vote at all.

I still don’t know what they offence is supposed to be. Nobody seems to be able to explain it. All I can see is Shinner, Gardai, shrieking.

I think this will end up benefitting Sinn Fein if anything, and the backlash to the tweet will end up misfiring onto the Gardai, because there are going to be a lot of pictures in Gardai in balaclavas and at evictions in circulation. This will be explained under the simple heading: “reality”.

The reality is that an owner of a property can move tenants along.
They usually don’t require lads in “ balaclavas “ if the tenant leaves without incident.

It’s shit but that’s the reality of it.

If a tenant is being genuinely fucked about then legal system is there to hopefully support them.

For all the fake offence at the O’Broin tweet Fine Gael can generate, left orientated people can just hit back with well aimed barbs like this, which make Fine Gael look like pearl clutching screaming Marys out of touch with reality (I used the phrase pearl clutching screaming Marys because it hits).

The internet game is loaded in Sinn Fein’s favour and Fine Gael can’t play it.

Where were the SF tweets throughout the eviction process of the last 15 years?