I was talking to someone in Revenue last week and he was saying that over 700 people have left revenue in the past 18 months and haven’t been replaced.
complaining because its only pushing the problem down the line and not dealing with it, surely you can see this?
this whole shambles has finally exposed the PS as the bloated monster it is.
who else here with a job in the real world could provide what they provide next year but with 12 days less to do it?
[quote=“HBV*”]
who else here with a job in the real world could provide what they provide next year but with 12 days less to do it?[/quote]
Me
I would have thought redundancies would be far more effective and save alot more money.It doesn’t really make sense to reduce the number of days worked by a crumbling health service, a slow inefficient social welfare service and an apparently understaffed education service.
Without picking on teachers, how is this going to work with them?
You can be sure it won’t be taken from their paid holiday leave, so my kids are without their teacher for a further 12 school days in the year.
Yet the unions are trying to say that productivity won’t be cut, pull the other one.
They probably couldn’t hack having to actually work at collecting money.
[quote=“Mullach Ide”]I would have thought redundancies would be far more effective and save alot more money.It doesn’t really make sense to reduce the number of days worked by a crumbling health service, a slow inefficient social welfare service and an apparently understaffed education service.
Without picking on teachers, how is this going to work with them?
You can be sure it won’t be taken from their paid holiday leave, so my kids are without their teacher for a further 12 school days in the year.
Yet the unions are trying to say that productivity won’t be cut, pull the other one.[/quote]
yeah sack a guy that earns 25k a year- pay him 12k in social welfare- statutory redundancy & take no tax off him - makes great financial sense:rolleyes:- it irks me that a great socialist town like malahide now has right wing zealots living there now
sure if all they are doing is scratching their fanny all day it might be a good idea to let them off for the long term benefit it would create
Ive worked for 2 major banks in the IFSC & in the public sector- the employees in the banks do far less than people in the public sector which i have no gripe with as its not tax money but to say the private sector are all hard working cunts is laughable especially people working in finance considering how badly run banks are-the reality is that the IFSC is made up of two types of employees- people with no job satisfaction as they have no real desire to increase shareholders wealths & suck ass managers that play the game- are enthusiastic in meetings & have no real substance- in the public sector though there are people who are deeply committed to their vocation
I’d consider Malahide a village myself, how and ever, employ a guy for 25k for no apparent reason other than to not have to pay him social welfare of 12 k a year and recieve a further 1600.00 a year in tax from him but be liable for 2600.00 per year in employers prsi, and a guaranteed pension fund at retirement age.
If the public service had been run properly, there wouldn’t have been jobs for everyone in it.
This deal is in effect saying that the publice service can operate to it’s current capacity with 95% of it’s current workforce.
If that makes me a right wing zealot, then guilty as charged, although it’s always been the Plough and the Stars for me a mhic.
[quote=“Mullach Ide”]I’d consider Malahide a village myself, how and ever, employ a guy for 25k for no apparent reason other than to not have to pay him social welfare of 12 k a year and recieve a further 1600.00 a year in tax from him but be liable for 2600.00 per year in employers prsi, and a guaranteed pension fund at retirement age.
If the public service had been run properly, there wouldn’t have been jobs for everyone in it.
This deal is in effect saying that the publice service can operate to it’s current capacity with 95% of it’s current workforce.
If that makes me a right wing zealot, then guilty as charged, although it’s always been the Plough and the Stars for me a mhic.[/quote]
no apparent reason?
how many of your colleagues sit around scratching themselves all day?
.0758%
Your logic, not mine.
One of these types asked me to do overtime “a couple of evenings a week” without pay, in an Investment bank. I laughed in his face. Repeatedly. I wouldn’t even do free overtime when I was watching soccer matches for a living.
Another placfe I worked in, a fund accountancy place, had their day finish at 5.30 but overtime didn’t start until 6.30 :rolleyes:
03/12/2009 - 13:37:34
Proposals to secure some of the 1.3bn savings necessary from the public pay bill by means of unpaid leave were thrust into further doubt this afternoon following a meeting of the Fianna Fil parliamentary party.
Talks between union leaders and Government are ongoing, with unions insisting that a direct wage cut will not be tolerated and that unpaid leave is the only proposal acceptable to them.
However Fianna Fil TD Mary O’Rourke said the Government is now solely focussed on immediate and permanent savings.
Speaking to reporters following the party meeting, Mrs. O’Rourke said it had been decided to press ahead with achieving the necessary savings in the manner already laid out by the Government, including through direct cuts to public pay.
“For now we implement the immediate savings next Wednesday (budget day),” Mrs. O’Rourke said.
“We will not be going the route of (unpaid leave) right now to realise money. If it realises money in the future, fine, but not right now.”
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/orourke-unpaid-leave-proposal-parked-436812.html#ixzz0YdOLOlLP
Seems like the Gov have well and truly fucked over the Unions and the Public Sector. And to announce on the same day as the strike was meant to go ahead!
Where to from here for the Public Sector Unions?
[quote=“myboyblue”]Seems like the Gov have well and truly fucked over the Unions and the Public Sector. And to announce on the same day as the strike was meant to go ahead!
Where to from here for the Public Sector Unions?[/quote]
All out war I’d imagine. Honestly. They will be seething over this and whatever hope there was of them reaching some form of communal agreement on this has gone out the window.
Shocking turnabout from the government. Spineless fools reach an agreement, openly discuss it on the airwaves, don’t get the congratulations they were expecting so renege on it.
Mullach - I don’t understand the distinction you’re making between redundancies and fewer hours worked by the existing employees. Surely it all boils down to less hours worked by the labour force. Productivity won’t be affected any more or less than it would under redundancy.
It doesn’t fit well with teachers, I accept that, but that’s the folly of the government imposing blanket-wide solutions to problems by lumping all the public sector in one basket. That was their choice (propelled by IBEC) and it’s obvious that the solution that works for the Dept of Transport won’t apply effectively to teachers. The jobs and employment conditions are too different.
The thing that I’m most astonished at in all this mess is the notion that a pension is now being marketed as a luxury! In every other country in Europe (including the UK) the trend is towards making pensions more widely available, some make them compulsory and the UK are making them semi-compulsory by forcing employers to set them up and then allowing them to opt out afterwards, in the expectation that the vast majority of them won’t. But of course we have IBEC and faux-economists in our ears all day proclaiming pensions as a crazy dreamland entitlement that public service workers get. It’s the fucking absolute minimum you’d expect in a developed economy. Even the notion that it could be bandied about as some sort of inefficiency or bloated BIK is absurd. Do we want to move back to the 19th Century?
this is looking like a stroke of genius from Cowan, let the unions admit the service is bloated, lead them to believe they have a deal that suits nobody but themselves and let the public uproar and the back benchers do the rest.
stunning stuff from the biffo:clap:
This is going to directly affect me but I have to snigger at the union “leaders”, they needed bringing down a peg or two.