So, who's striking today? Which Side are You On

[quote=“The Dunph”]> Turn up for “work” at about 9am or 9.30am.

Show a bunch of la la’s how to tie their laces and peel their banana’s.
Finish “work” at about 2.30pm or 3.00pm. The rest of the day is yours.
All weekend off, every weekend.
3 months off during the summer, 2 weeks at Xmas, 2 weeks at Easter, 1 week at Halloween. The odd the day or two off here or there for service days and striking. :mad:
Starting wage of at least 40k a year straight out of college.
Permanent job for the rest of your life depite how incompetent you may or may not be.
Generous pension when you retire.

Seriously what are they striking over?[/quote]
education cuts which affect our children & our futures

how droll

The only cuts they are interested in is the ones to their pay cheque

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:smiley: my humour is aimed at the educated, you wouldn’t understand

[quote=“The Runt”]The strikes last year and some level of public support (only a little bit granted) but I think they will find that people are in no mood for their shit this time around. They will be heckled in the streets and have tomatoes thrown at them.
It was noted in the media how little support the Frontline Alliance received during their protest last week. The few civil servants I know would rather these strikes weren’t going ahead, they would rather keep their heads down and get on with things but as they are union members they have no choice in the issue.[/quote]

This is what awaits them if they strike in Limerick. :guns:

From talking to a few teachers there’s a feeling they’ve no interest in striking and it’s just some union gobshites trying to justify their existence by organising them.

i assume they will vote on this & the result of the vote will back that up

They already voted a couple of weeks ago. The results of the vote were never released to the teachers.

Union members are like sheep, afraid to vote against the top table for fear of being unpopular. The older “job for Life” members of the civil service bully the newer younger members into joining the union and towing the line.

:rolleyes:

Speaking of teachers strking did anyone see those kids in Kildare or some such place striking over the CCTV cameras in the jacks. What kind of retards decieded it was OK to put CCTV camers in there… Oh sorry I said it is was in Kildare, ignore that last part.

Whatever about teaching i would say that lecturing is one of the handiest numbers known to man…a dream job…

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:barcasmile:

to be fair to the Guards, the nurses, the firemen etc, at least they put in shifts which in some way equate to what goes on in the real world.

id leave the teachers pay and most of their conditions as they are, but i would limit their holidays to 20 days per year, when the schools are shut id have them in cleaning the yard or painting or cutting the lawns and pitches, id have them contributing in some way to local society, as it is they get away with murder, they have some fucking neck, the cunts.

New figures show that male primary school teachers earn on average 8,000 more than their female counterparts and are far more likely to become school principals.

The data was supplied to the primary teachers’ union, the INTO, by the Department of Education.

15% of primary school teachers are male - a figure that is widely acknowledged as too low.

However, male teachers are far more likely to hold senior posts than their female counterparts and they will earn a lot more.

A man has a greater than one-in-four chance of being a principal, while a woman has a one-in-13 chance.

According to the data, the average male teacher earns 64,000 per annum, while the average female earns 56,000.

The INTO took an historic step yesterday electing its first female general secretary.

Sheila Nunan will replace John Carr when he retires next year.

FFS. Dock em 20%, redistribute 10% of it straight back into the Education budget and 10% back to the Government for other stuff.

Meh…the lecturing itself would be the finest, but I know for engineering anyway you have to carry out your own research and publish fairly regularly. That would be an almighty pain in the hole.

Public sector pay cuts unfair and counter-productive on the tax front

By Fergus Finlay

Tuesday, November 17, 2009

I THINK if I were a public servant today, Id be mad as hell.

With a few well documented political exceptions, Ive never known anyone who went into the public service to make money.

In fact if you wanted to make money, the last place youd go for a career is into the public service.

Some people choose a public service career for security and many choose it because it offers the chance to do something or to be something theyve always wanted to be. A nurse, a doctor, a teacher, a fireman. To work at healing the sick, catching the baddies, teaching the kids Ive known people who grew up from childhood wanting to do just that, and who have found tremendous fulfilment from following a chosen career as a public servant.

And Ive known public servants who maybe ended up in places they never expected to find themselves, and nevertheless did the state more than a little service. It is public servants who run our libraries (and if you havent visited a library lately, go and take a look it will knock your socks off).

It is public servants who help Irish manufacturers to market their goods and to export them. It is public servants who, behind the scenes, probably did as much and more to bring peace to this island than any of the higher profile politicians who routinely claim their place in history.

I could go on. But youre going to have to take my word for this, if you havent had direct experience of the public service. As I said, Ive never met a public servant who was in it for the money. And Ive never met a public servant who wanted to let his or her country down.

Sure, theyre not all equally able. Theyre not even all equally pleasant. Weve all, Im guessing, had both good and bad experiences at the hands of public servants. But Im guessing weve all had mixed experiences at the hands of business people, bankers, priests, shopkeepers, mechanics, car salesmen, dentists, doctors, and the thousands and thousands of other people who make their living in the private sector in Ireland.

So why, I wonder, are public servants being told, day after day, that they have to bear the brunt of the public expenditure cuts? In addition to that, why are public servants being constantly attacked and derided as if they had suddenly become the fat cats in our society?

Why is there such division, and it seems such jealousy, between the public and the private sector? When public servants, quite rightly, point out that their pay has been hit by the pension levy, the commentators immediately snap that its only a modest contribution to the real cost of their pensions.

But for years and years public service pay in Ireland was calculated on the basis that the value of the pension had to be taken into account when making comparisons. In other words, public service salaries tended to be lower than those in the private sector because there was more security in the public service and the pensions were related to income rather than to the contribution made.

Ive always argued (and I see the OECD is doing it too) that some government has to bite the bullet on the pension issue by closing down the “defined benefit” scheme (which relates pension to salary) for new entrants to the public service, and by placing all new entrants on a defined contribution scheme (which relates pension to the amount you pay into the scheme).

Such a change would bring the cost of funding public service pensions down dramatically over time. It would also mean that everyone in the economy who was working towards a pension, whether in the private or the public sector, would be on the same footing.

But you know what? The pensions entitlements of public servants havent actually changed at all. What has changed is that many pension schemes in the private sector have lost huge value partly because of mismanagement and also because the equities and stocks and shares they have been invested in have been damaged by greed and incompetence. More than a few pension funds, for instance, invested heavily in Irish bank shares. Need I say more?

And were being told every day that public service pay is at the heart of the whole public expenditure problem because it accounts for a massive proportion of public spending.

When theyre talking about public spending, commentators seem to use whatever figure comes into their heads. Ive heard it solemnly reported on the radio that public service pay accounts for proportions of spending ranging from 50% to 75%. Theres a mantra about it “its simply impossible to cut public spending (and thereby save the economy is the inference) without cutting pay because pay simply accounts for too much”.

The actual figure is about one-third. Public service pay is about one-third of public spending. So every 3 you take off a public servant should give you about 1 in public spending cuts.

Theres a couple of problems with this. First, every time you take 3 off a public servant, you lose anything up to 1 in tax revenue because (unlike a lot of people in the private sector) public servants are all PAYE workers cut their pay and you immediately lose the income tax they give you. So actually, if you want to get a cut of 1 in overall public spending from public service pay, you have to take around 4.

The Government has said it wants to take 1.3 billion from public servants as their contribution to resolving our financial crisis. If it means that as a net figure (taking account of the loss in tax revenue), its going to have to cut pay by around 1.7bn in fact. Thats 10% of the public pay bill from January 1 next.

BUT IF it wants to apply that kind of a cut so that lower paid public servants have to take a hit of, say, 5%, its going to have to cut middle income public servants by around 15%.

It was not the public service, nor anyone in the public service, who precipitated this crisis in the first place. And when were not busy sneering at public servants, we totally depend on them. Take away our public service in Ireland and you drive a huge hole into our quality of life.

Against that background, the kind of cuts that are now having to be considered, to yield a net 1.3bn in public spending reductions, are savage. They will have a huge impact on thousands of families (some commentators dont like us noticing that public servants have families, too) and they will seriously damage morale in vital services.

Despite what the commentators might like us to think, cuts of that magnitude are fundamentally unfair. I mightnt agree in fact I dont agree with the proposition that our economy and our school system can be shut down for a day, or maybe more, by public sector protest. But because the whole approach is so unfair, I can fully understand the anger behind that protest.

This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Tuesday, November 17, 2009

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Something in the business or IT side of it would be handy…shite like purchasing and database admin would be fair handy numbers…

Presume if you were in an IT as opposed to a University then you wouldn’t have to do as much in terms of research and publishing