So, who's striking today? Which Side are You On

tallback · October 19, 2016, 9:07am

Fair enough. Why?

Tim_Riggins · October 19, 2016, 9:10am

This will bring down the government.

Juhniallio · October 19, 2016, 9:24am

I think so. They’re gonna hardball them. Fucking cunts the lot of them.

Juhniallio · October 19, 2016, 9:26am

A blow for the Hutch’s what?

HBV · October 19, 2016, 9:31am

who here will now be planning ‘a few pints’ friday the 4th on the way home from work? a great opportunity to relive some nice memories

mikehunt · October 19, 2016, 9:32am

Exactly right, they want pay restored to Celtic Tiger levels which have been proven to be unsustainable. We were running a surplus which meant we could afford to meet those demands at that time but that surplus was due to taxes from the property boom. Those revenues are not there now. We can’t afford it anymore, we are borrowing as it is to keep the country going so they want us to borrow more. Who do they think is going to pay back these loans? Public Service are encouraging a state sponsored pyramid scheme.

They have a secure job, a guaranteed pension, flexi hours, good holidays, a premium over private sector workers pay (unlike anywhere else in the world) and yet they want more. They even have the neck to call a pension contribution a pay cut. They’re living in cuckoo land. Wouldn’t mind if we even had a functional public service, but we don’t. I’ve had cause to call out the fire brigade and bring a kid to hospital in the last month. Was charged for both, where are my taxes going? Going to fund public sector inflated wages, not services. Basic maths tells us that there should be more pay cuts in the public sector, not pay rises.

tallback · October 19, 2016, 9:36am

Probably. Better that the gov falls than the gov caves.

Fagan_ODowd · October 19, 2016, 9:37am

mikehunt:

tallback:

Bottom line, this is a move by vested interests to appropriate a disproportionate part of the recovery. Budget for 2017 was approx 1.25 billion in extra spending etc. Public sector were already getting almost 300 million of this (25%). In addition they’d also benefit from the meagre tax cuts and the rest of the small amounts of additional cash for services.

However, this isn’t sufficient for some of them. They believe that they’re entitled to far more. As it’s a zero-sum game they clearly feel that their needs outstrip all others in the state.

They can fuck right off. Let them strike.

Exactly right, they want pay restored to Celtic Tiger levels which have been proven to be unsustainable. We were running a surplus which meant we could afford to meet those demands at that time but that surplus was due to taxes from the property boom. Those revenues are not there now. We can’t afford it anymore, we are borrowing as it is to keep the country going so they want us to borrow more. Who do they think is going to pay back these loans? Public Service are encouraging a state sponsored pyramid scheme.

They have a secure job, a guaranteed pension, flexi hours, good holidays, a premium over private sector workers pay (unlike anywhere else in the world) and yet they want more. They even have the neck to call a pension contribution a pay cut. They’re living in cuckoo land. Wouldn’t mind if we even had a functional public service, but we don’t. I’ve had cause to call out the fire brigade and bring a kid to hospital in the last month. Was charged for both, where are my taxes going? Going to fund public sector inflated wages, not services. Basic maths tells us that there should be more pay cuts in the public sector, not pay rises.

Tough life being a guard. I don’t there is any comparable position in the private sector. I wouldn’t begrudge them a penny to be honest. It’s not like they were being overpaid anyway in the Celtic Tiger.

tallback · October 19, 2016, 9:41am

Fagan_ODowd:

mikehunt:

tallback:

Bottom line, this is a move by vested interests to appropriate a disproportionate part of the recovery. Budget for 2017 was approx 1.25 billion in extra spending etc. Public sector were already getting almost 300 million of this (25%). In addition they’d also benefit from the meagre tax cuts and the rest of the small amounts of additional cash for services.

However, this isn’t sufficient for some of them. They believe that they’re entitled to far more. As it’s a zero-sum game they clearly feel that their needs outstrip all others in the state.

They can fuck right off. Let them strike.

Exactly right, they want pay restored to Celtic Tiger levels which have been proven to be unsustainable. We were running a surplus which meant we could afford to meet those demands at that time but that surplus was due to taxes from the property boom. Those revenues are not there now. We can’t afford it anymore, we are borrowing as it is to keep the country going so they want us to borrow more. Who do they think is going to pay back these loans? Public Service are encouraging a state sponsored pyramid scheme.

They have a secure job, a guaranteed pension, flexi hours, good holidays, a premium over private sector workers pay (unlike anywhere else in the world) and yet they want more. They even have the neck to call a pension contribution a pay cut. They’re living in cuckoo land. Wouldn’t mind if we even had a functional public service, but we don’t. I’ve had cause to call out the fire brigade and bring a kid to hospital in the last month. Was charged for both, where are my taxes going? Going to fund public sector inflated wages, not services. Basic maths tells us that there should be more pay cuts in the public sector, not pay rises.

Tough life being a guard. I don’t there is any comparable position in the private sector. I wouldn’t begrudge them a penny to be honest. It’s not like they were being overpaid anyway in the Celtic Tiger.

I’m sure their fellow unions would have an equally benevolent view and wouldn’t in a million years bang the door down with pay relativity claims if the Guards got a special deal. Not at all.

mikehunt · October 19, 2016, 9:43am

Guards are on good pay. It’s the new entrants that are on poor pay. Their colleagues/unions sold them down the river on that one. The Guards in this country are a disgrace, especially at the top. Didn’t see many come out and back McCabe and Wilson. Unless they reform they should be told to fuck off. I have no sympathy for them.

Julio_Geordio · October 19, 2016, 9:44am

But what if your house gets robbed? Who’ll come out and say “to be honest you’ve very little chance of getting your stuff back”?

Julio_Geordio · October 19, 2016, 9:45am

Fagan_ODowd:

mikehunt:

tallback:

Bottom line, this is a move by vested interests to appropriate a disproportionate part of the recovery. Budget for 2017 was approx 1.25 billion in extra spending etc. Public sector were already getting almost 300 million of this (25%). In addition they’d also benefit from the meagre tax cuts and the rest of the small amounts of additional cash for services.

However, this isn’t sufficient for some of them. They believe that they’re entitled to far more. As it’s a zero-sum game they clearly feel that their needs outstrip all others in the state.

They can fuck right off. Let them strike.

Exactly right, they want pay restored to Celtic Tiger levels which have been proven to be unsustainable. We were running a surplus which meant we could afford to meet those demands at that time but that surplus was due to taxes from the property boom. Those revenues are not there now. We can’t afford it anymore, we are borrowing as it is to keep the country going so they want us to borrow more. Who do they think is going to pay back these loans? Public Service are encouraging a state sponsored pyramid scheme.

They have a secure job, a guaranteed pension, flexi hours, good holidays, a premium over private sector workers pay (unlike anywhere else in the world) and yet they want more. They even have the neck to call a pension contribution a pay cut. They’re living in cuckoo land. Wouldn’t mind if we even had a functional public service, but we don’t. I’ve had cause to call out the fire brigade and bring a kid to hospital in the last month. Was charged for both, where are my taxes going? Going to fund public sector inflated wages, not services. Basic maths tells us that there should be more pay cuts in the public sector, not pay rises.

Tough life being a guard. I don’t there is any comparable position in the private sector. I wouldn’t begrudge them a penny to be honest. It’s not like they were being overpaid anyway in the Celtic Tiger.

New entrants deserve more money. The rest of them can FOAD

HBV · October 19, 2016, 9:57am

all garda should be made stand on a weigh scales on the day of their graduation and there should be absolutely no increments of any kind for gardai if they gain any more than 10 pound weight at any stage of their careers. if they go over the 10 pound then they get pro rata pay cuts until they sort themselves out.

its an absolute fucking disgrace the state of so many guards 1,2,3 stone over weight, and the general acceptance of that by the garda organisation and the general public.

gilgamboa · October 19, 2016, 10:05am

I’d agree re the guards…but this is the bed the guards and nurses etc make for themselves when they agree to all stand together with all public service workers. If government cave on guards the queue will be out the door

gilgamboa · October 19, 2016, 10:06am

Laughing at this but it’s fucking true

Juhniallio · October 19, 2016, 10:15am

You should move to Wycombe mate. You’d love it.

http://traditionscustoms.com/strange-traditions/weighing-mayor

Fat_Pox · October 19, 2016, 11:36am

A lot of lads here playing with the truth. Teachers, Nurses, Gardai…were subjected to 3 different pay scales since 2011 through FEMPI legislation. No public sector workers voted for them. They were forced upon them. The different pay scales didnt really matter for a few years as there was a moratorium on recruitment in the public sector at the time. The problem has only really manifested itself on the public in the last few years when the above moratorium was lifted.

The vast majority of teachers and guards will gain nothing from the strikes. They are looking for pay equality for their newly recruited colleagues. They are basically asking for equal pay for equal work nothing more nothing less.

The 3 tier pay system implemented under FEMPI by the various governments is a way of fragmenting and weakening the unions to cause infighting.

By the way TDs who have entered the Dail since 2011 are still subject to a common basic scale and not 3 different ones. Different rules…

iron_mike · October 19, 2016, 12:30pm

mikehunt:

tallback:

Bottom line, this is a move by vested interests to appropriate a disproportionate part of the recovery. Budget for 2017 was approx 1.25 billion in extra spending etc. Public sector were already getting almost 300 million of this (25%). In addition they’d also benefit from the meagre tax cuts and the rest of the small amounts of additional cash for services.

However, this isn’t sufficient for some of them. They believe that they’re entitled to far more. As it’s a zero-sum game they clearly feel that their needs outstrip all others in the state.

They can fuck right off. Let them strike.

Exactly right, they want pay restored to Celtic Tiger levels which have been proven to be unsustainable. We were running a surplus which meant we could afford to meet those demands at that time but that surplus was due to taxes from the property boom. Those revenues are not there now. We can’t afford it anymore, we are borrowing as it is to keep the country going so they want us to borrow more. Who do they think is going to pay back these loans? Public Service are encouraging a state sponsored pyramid scheme.

They have a secure job, a guaranteed pension, flexi hours, good holidays, a premium over private sector workers pay (unlike anywhere else in the world) and yet they want more. They even have the neck to call a pension contribution a pay cut. They’re living in cuckoo land. Wouldn’t mind if we even had a functional public service, but we don’t. I’ve had cause to call out the fire brigade and bring a kid to hospital in the last month. Was charged for both, where are my taxes going? Going to fund public sector inflated wages, not services. Basic maths tells us that there should be more pay cuts in the public sector, not pay rises.

Now there’s a sound post. We’re still running a deficit. If Ireland Inc. was a Plc. the share holders would still be demanding wage cuts and redundancies

Watch_The_Break · October 19, 2016, 1:04pm

Yeah but it’s not. In a business you can cut expenses and make more money because your cuts don’t necessarily affect your customer’s spending. In a country, everyone’s spending is everyone else’s income. The two are intrinsically linked. That’s why the household accounts approach to national finance is a sack of shit.

mikehunt · October 19, 2016, 3:55pm

Expenditure needs to be based on expected/actual revenue no matter what the type of entity. Borrowing is ok as long as there’s a chance that a return can be made on the money borrowed and that it is enough to at least repay the loan + interest. Borrowing to pay for upping public sector pay at this time as to do so will not improve the economy one bit. If the money were invested in infrastructure, actual services(as opposed to pay) then there may be an argument for it. We can’t afford it.