Agree, way lighter. Think the running game and through the lines us here to stay though whatever. Iād have no issue with a heavier ball, thered be more running the ball and take ons like in football but the era of 1 v 1 duels is gone whatever Iād say.
If the rumour coming out of kk is true, you can expect to see some one on one duels on Saturday and plenty of goals. Cody still thinks goals win games. Just mark up the other end.
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I have never seen one ordinal tactic in the game of hurling. Everything is copied from Gaelic football or basketball or some other sport.
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All adversarial ball games are largely about stopping the opposition scoring and in turn scoring yourself . Ergo tactics will in the main follow suit .
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In the 2 games I have watched from the weekend it was open season for long range point scoring. Laois played with 2 sweepers with just Ross King inside Dublin 45 for much of the game. The problem was the 2 sweepers were playing on their own 21 yard line and not engaged with the general play. This left ample room for Dublin to work scores around the middle third. With Clare on Sunday there seemed to be a massive breakdown in their half back line. They could not track the Limerick half forward line who dropped deep especially for Clare puck outs and who came forward again with impunity. Limerick worked the ball through them time and again. They really missed Colm Galvin and David McInerney suffered from poor positional awareness at times. It was very unclear what Clare were trying to achieve. You could see some semblance of a plan with Laois for all their limitations but Clare were just like a one man band. Iād expect this weeks encounters to be much tighter and less high scoring.
Hurling is a game which thrives on crowds and intensity due to its adversarial nature. If you strip that away you can be left with a challenge match vibe. During a munster championship game in Thurles with a big crowd it can seem that you have less time on the ball, you canāt hear audibles and have to rely on gut and instinct. With no crowds you can hear everything from coaching instruction to calls for a pass etc. This is also contributory factor for such high scoring games.
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Does Lar Corbett running around after Tommy Walsh count as an original tactic. Never seen Messi man marking Luke Shaw
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yes, herbert chapman did that with the gunners in the 30s
They could have been Ergo or Ordinal tactics, Iām not quiet sure. @Ashman and @BruidheanChaorthainn will surely know.
Be hard to score long range points into the teeth of gale in December.
For half the game anyway
Batshit is the word
Thatās true. Iād love to see those maps where players are positioned throughout the game. I bet lads are much happier standing close to the side line without 20 thousand roasters bawling at them.
The impetus for that came when they realised a lad had thrown it so far it would have landed in the crowd in some stadia.
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I honestly think there has been a huge overreaction to two games in isolation. Games are certainly getting more high-scoring and that has been a trend for a number of years.
I donāt think itās necessarily a bad thing in and of itself; I do think that certain rules are not really in the spirit of how they were originally included- for example '65s are pretty much a certain score, technical fouls deep in the opposition half now lead to scores. Maybe we could move to make certain frees indirect.
As for saying that thereās no need to score goals; I would disagree totally. Tipperary won the All-Ireland last year and goals were really crucial for them, and they are a team that look to create goal chances.
You can only play the match that is in front of you; Limerick scored 0-36 because they were afforded the space to do so, Clare brought no intensity in the second half. Clare had also been burned by conceding 10 goals in their previous 2 challenge matches so set up deliberately to avoid that happening in Championship, and conceding a shit load of points was a result.
That will happen. I donāt think thereās quite the need for hysteria yet. This same Limerick team only scored 16 points when winning the All-Ireland just 2 years ago. We only scored 17 points in a semi-final last year. Any team will go to town if you just stand off them and let them have target practice.
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Great post
Very good point
Need to factor in Limerick weāre playing a motivated KK side.
Was there ever a Cody team not motivated ???
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I think the lack of crowds certainly has a bearing. It wouldnāt be unheard of for I/C teams to put up huge point tallies in behind closed door challenge games. Granted some might be played longer than 70 minutes and may turn into very open games due as both teams empty the benches.
Rule changes can be brought in to steer the game in whatever course is needed. But what is that course? What is the magic number of scores which is acceptable and what skills do we want to prioritise and which do we want to try and lessen in the game?
Iād agree. Youād rarely see the likes of Wexford and Kilkenny (or recent years) put up massive points tallies but they can turn games into a more dogged and attritional warfare. Limerick, Cork, Tipp and Galway tend to be involved in these types of free-scoring contests when they face each other. Who did Clare ship the 10 goals against in the 2 practice matches?
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