[quote=âMac, post: 851059, member: 109â]Nialls name wasnât used last night as it hadnât been reported publicly. No reason other than that Iâd guess.
In my experience itâs often the opposite with suicide. No matter what is done itâs inevitable that it will happen. The person obsesses about it and itâs the only way out they can see.
Iâve been told of notes of my cousins case where the doctors remarked that he told them he was feeling suicidal. However at the inquest a doctor stood up and said at no point did he feel that the patient was suicidal. Figure that one out![/quote]
There is a difference. Thousands of people have suicidal thoughts everyday and say things that could be described as âfeeling suicidalâ. I often heard friends talk about it after big weekends or ecstasy binges. But it would be fleeting. I would have had those thoughts myself on quite a few occasions in mid 20âs, but I was never a âdangerâ. I think that is probably what the doctor is saying, he never felt he was a danger to him(her)self. At least thatâs what Iâm picking up from your words.
Iâd disagree with that. The majority of suicides are people reacting to a life event, a break up, money etc, less are actually due to what would be serious depression. If those people had spoken to someone, or even been asked the question âare you feeling suicidalâ it would have been a relief to them and helped them open up. Itâs often just a simple few words that can help massively.
I only ever saw one psychologist. She was shit. Woeful. Got me to draw out my thoughts and do a cost benefit analysis of holding on to them. And me in the midst of depression where logic doesnât come near the equation.
I have seen two psychiatrists. One had the reputation of being one of the best around. She was an utter cunt. Basically told me to cop myself on and stop thinking the way I was thinking. She wasnât available for another appointment so I saw her assistant. She was very good and I kept seeing her. It helped of course that she was smoking hot.
I have seen one counsellor in my time. One was a very nice bloke who was very easy to talk to and that helped to get it all out. He also came up with a technique for me to use which has helped me hugely. I have also seen a therapist who also came with a massive reputation. This guy is incredible though and has completely changed my outlook on life. I still see him from time to time.
kind of on a side issue, as it happens with all deaths, but I really dont understand the mentality of someone who has to be the first to set up âofficialâ RIP pages. Maybe I just dont get this aspect of social media, but the clamour to get your page as being the first or main RIP page is a really unusual, and sadistic, phenomonen. And it happens with all cases, whether it be by suicide or other causes.
the priest saying the mass at that girls funeral in Limerick recently was very matter of fact about the glamourisation of suicide, and it was the first time I had properly heard someone speak so openly about it and actually speak publically of a suicide like that.
[quote=âfarmerinthecity, post: 850977, member: 24â]I donât agree with the first line Mac. I actually find it heartwarming to see the posts on this thread which show genuine insight and concern about this issue. I donât think people are ignorant, quite the contrary in fact.
I have posted on here before about my battle with depression. I had it for years without telling anyone outside of my family about it. Then I was hit another wallop and I decided I had to tell my mates as I was in quite a bad way and they would be wondering about it. The reaction I got was incredible, people gathering around you. It really lifts your spirits
The majority of people in this world are very, very good.
Iâm not sure if that is what youâre getting at. I suppose no one is going to ask their mate if everything is alright all the time. I have had mates split up with their birds and I have asked them if they are ok. I have seen mates work 12 hours days for weeks and I have asked them if they are ok. I donât know if there is much more that you can do.[/quote]
You should hear what we were saying about you behind your back.
[quote=âfarmerinthecity, post: 851068, member: 24â]I only ever saw one psychologist. She was shit. Woeful. Got me to draw out my thoughts and do a cost benefit analysis of holding on to them. And me in the midst of depression where logic doesnât come near the equation.
I have seen two psychiatrists. One had the reputation of being one of the best around. She was an utter cunt. Basically told me to cop myself on and stop thinking the way I was thinking. She wasnât available for another appointment so I saw her assistant. She was very good and I kept seeing her. It helped of course that she was smoking hot.
I have seen one counsellor in my time. One was a very nice bloke who was very easy to talk to and that helped to get it all out. He also came up with a technique for me to use which has helped me hugely. I have also seen a therapist who also came with a massive reputation. This guy is incredible though and has completely changed my outlook on life. I still see him from time to time.[/quote]
Out of interest, which one of those (if any) is the lad in the Northeast?
maybe because it is a young sports star it might be a catalyst for positive change in this country. I know the GPA are involved in Headstrong which seems to be a great initiative and Tony Bates a remarkable man.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 851056, member: 273â]Lads talking a lot of (but well meaning) shite here. Suicide is like a terrorist attack. You rarely see it coming.
Is there a reason the Hurlers name is not being used? @Rocko[/USER] & @[USER=9]Bandage.
I think his name should be used, positively. Even saying âGalway hurlerâ but not mentioning a name is adding stigma. I might be missing something here so would like guidance.[/quote]
Attaching stigma to the act of suicide, attaching stigma to mental health, or both?
I should probably have mentioned that he had been moved into the high risk unit in the psychiatric hospital as well due to him being at a âhigh risk of suicideâ. Only found out some of this during the week as the inquest was recently. Donât want to draw conversation off on rights and wrongs of an individual case. My main point is that suicide isnât always out of blue. Cases like Niall Donohoes will make it feel that way but thereâs people in psychiatric wards at the moment, that if they passed away by suicide then it wouldnât exactly be out of the blue.
By the time we reach adulthood our decision making, thought process and life coping skills and all the rest are formed. Dealing with loss is a massive part of it and you just donât know how people are going to react, but more education at a younger age may help people deal with it better when older. You canât stop depression and the dark place it puts people in, but again, if people are exposed to it at a early age, explained what it is, how it affects people etc they again may cope with it better when older as they know itâs a condition, that affects many people, not some taboo subject that they need hide. Most of the people I know who suffer from it or have committed suicide, it has been down to loss and being single. The last part might seem like an irrelevant point to make, but when you are going home alone when not in a good place, it adds to it- but that is just folk I know, plenty of younger lads, living at home etc where being single wouldnât impact as such have made the decision to committ suicide. Of those I know of, they were all rural chaps- A few were all of the same mould, real gentle and almost shy lads that everyone liked, sons of farmers, @chewylouie may know of one, from Gillouge, tho he was a few years older than him. But thereâs an isolation in the countryside thatâs even more magnified in the city which often tends to be filled with alcohol⌠Iâve rambled, but we have to start adressing this problem from a young age- That cunting second level education of ours is plain fucking useless, it teaches kids nothing about the world or the problems they may face-[/quote]
I donât know if you canât stop depression. You can certainly teach techniques and processes that are very useful for some people - particularly around cognitive stuff like @Whiplash was mentioning and triggers etc.
I donât know if I ever had what would be clasically called depression but when I was a teenager (and up to about 18 or so) I was a weird fucker. Iâd drive myself completely mad with hypothetical scenarios and Iâd get completely worked up about nothing. Other times Iâd just zone out of my life for hours or days at a time, not talking to anyone, not doing anything, just being gloomy (shit word but donât know how to describe it better). I recall one year spending 10 hours on Christmas Day and 10 hours on Stephenâs Day sitting in the bathroom staring at the walls.
I donât know how I fixed it. I did spend a lot of time thinking about it (which probably wasnât helpful) and I now recognise times when my mind starts running away and I think to myself, God thatâs what used to happen and drive me insane. But I can just ignore it completely now because I recognise happening and for some reason while I used to get absorbed by that, I now just dismiss it. I never get depressed about anything now.
[quote=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 851085, member: 2272â]you mean âglamourisationâ of it?
yeah unfortunately that may well be true[/quote]
hard to know alright. But maybe with the likes of Pieta House who have a specific GAA related awareness scheme that they want to roll out, but funding lacking, the likes of this might push it up the agenda and they could get some help with funds now.
Our county minor footballers are currently working on doing fund raising for this very thing, as it is something that should be seen as important, particularly at that age group.
The training I was at had those statistics, Iâm not one to argue with them.
Iâd imagine itâs relatively easy from speaking with relatives to know if it was a life event that triggered the suicide as opposed to a mental illness/depression.
