[QUOTE=āmickee321, post: 1086712, member: 367ā]the last couple of pages of this thread are in very bad taste,
its like lads laughing down the back of the church at a funeral[/QUOTE]
If we pretended to pay attention to you would it make you feel any better?
āweā:rolleyes:
@mickee321 is truly an enigma.
In fairness to him he can come out with some cracking posts but other times it is just try hard look at me stuff which isnāt even funny.
I love the way this thread veers wildly between sincerity and all out banter.
God bless TFK.
What about Littleās point that Carlisle always uses the āyeah, but Iām depressedā line to excuse unacceptable behaviour like 5 drink driving offences. Ordinarily Iād say this is fair enough (and I was of the same view when that Irish runner [Fagan?] was caught doping a few years back and conveniently cited depression) but Carlisle threw himself in front of a lorry. He must surely have serious mental health issues. Shit co-commentator though.
Maybe he was facing time off the road or a life time ban? A bit extreme alright it seems to have don the trick.
When will he be back commentating on 6pm Thursday night Europa League games on ITV4?
āThe defender threw himself in front of that shot like me in front of a lorry.ā
Iād say Clarke is a fan of āThere is a light that never goes outā by the Smiths.
Iām not too sure about that. Could file this under murder suicide cases (not as serious obviously).
Clark Carlisle has been dropped by ITV. 
[SIZE=4]Although sympathy is rife for troubled footballer, ex-housemate is justified in raising his concerns
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What drives Ralf Little, an actor whose contribution to social media reveals him as deep thinking and liberal, to tweet a message which suggests that Clarke Carlisleās account of an attempt to take his own life must be viewed with deep scepticism?
Littleās tweet, in response to Carlisle telling The Sun that he felt no reason to live, was: āOh dear. Looks like Clarke Carlisleās going to get away with it ā AGAIN,ā adding: āI know the full story and itās not whatās portrayed in the media.ā Little went on to clarify his comments by saying he had little sympathy for a man who, albeit ill, keeps putting other peopleās lives in danger with his reckless, alcohol-related behaviour.
Coming on #timetotalk day, designed to help those struggling to cope with mental illness ā and Carlisleās decision to step into the path of an oncoming lorry on the A64 on 22 December, was about as clear a sign of mental illness as they come ā the timing and form of Littleās intervention were unfortunate. He later acknowledged that fact.
But for Little to feel such opprobrium towards Carlisle, with whom he once shared a house in west London, showed the tawdry, deeply unheroic character traits created by the addiction to drink that the former Burnley player has never managed to shake off.
To those of us who have encountered Carlisle amid the surface gloss of football, he is one of the best: gregarious, intelligent, always possessed of humility. He seemed genuinely overwhelmed to hear he had been rated eight out of 10 for his performance in a Championship play-off semi-final in 2009.
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10027418.ece/alternates/w460/64-little-pa.jpgRalf Little shared a house with Carlisle and has seen his behaviour first hand
To others ā one of whom tells me in the strongest possible terms that Littleās depiction of him as an abusive, unpleasant housemate is wholly accurate ā there has always been another Carlisle story. It certainly reaches way beyond the details of the 35-year-oldās recent autobiography ā the appropriately entitled You Donāt Know Me.
At Burnley, the scene of Carlisleās greatest triumphs, the mojitos told the true story. The club were in the early stages of their transformation under Owen Coyle, in February 2008, when the squad went off to Dublin for some team bonding. Carlisle hit the mojitos, the white rum-based cocktail. Witnesses were astonished. The received wisdom was that Carlisle, who had arrived at Turf Moor the previous year, had put alcohol behind him.
The sense that the demons still stalked him were confirmed when Coyleās side won their extraordinary promotion to the Premier League a year later. There are stories of a three-day bender. āThere were times heād buy me a drink when I had to take his wallet to pay for it,ā says one who knew him at the time. āHe wasnāt capable of paying.ā
Burnleyās Christmas bashes, at a private bar in the Bar Code venue on the Lancashire townās Hannah Street, seem to have been less eye-catching. But it was a miracle that he should professionally have held his own, alongside Steven Caldwell and Graham Alexander, as defensive linchpins of Coyleās Premier League side. Carlisle, their man of the match in the play-off final, was always bright and early into training, known for picking up the doughnuts and coffees for the lads.
To assume that he had put his drinking behind him simply because he had attended the Sporting Chance clinic and because he was one of the most articulate of players ā Professional Footballersā Association chairman and Countdown contestant ā is a gross oversimplification.
So is his autobiography, which describes his move from Lancashire to the bright lights and anonymity of Queenās Park Rangers in 2000, as the event which put his drinking on to another level. The disappointment of the clubās 2003 Second Division play-off final defeat to Cardiff at the Millennium Stadium was a catalyst for dangerous drinking, he says, as was his reunion with a hard-drinking school friend discharged from the Paras.
His housemates in Beavor Grove, Chiswick, at this time ā Little and three others ā were a third ātriggerā for booze, he suggests. He portrays himself as desperate to impress Little ā āa very self-assured guy,ā as he describes the actor in the book. āI wanted to impress him and everyone around us. He would often say that I shouldnāt really be going out. He was desperate to be a footballer and genuinely believed he was good enoughā¦ Knowing that I had something he wanted fuelled my actions. He even came in for training at the club one day and I must say he didnāt look out of placeā¦ā
Those who have fought alcoholism will know that Little and all the rest were Carlisleās excuses for addiction. He couldnāt shake it. He tried to take his own life in 2004. When Carlisle discussed the issue with me in October 2009 he said that his Damascene moment came when he was ordered off the team bus by the then QPR manager Ian Holloway, and found himself propping up a bar awaiting his sideās result on the BBC videprinter 24 hours later.
If he had not beaten the demons while playing, then finishing that career was always likely to fuel them. Almost every player will tell you that there is no substitute for āthe 3pm feelingā.
His intelligence created more opportunities than most ex-players find and he seized them. Less well known than his work as an ITV pundit was a series of impressive articles on Olympic hopefuls in the summer of 2011.
He was thought of as a responsive PFA chairman, despite some black and minority ethnic players wanting more activism from him. That led to a very public row with Rio and Anton Ferdinand.
He had been in the Turf Moor press room doing media work, just before a drink-drive charge and the decision to try to take his life again, in December. He was talking on the theme of antenatal depression on Radio 5 Live that day. Some wondered on hearing that whether this man was trying a little too hard to be a font of wisdom.
The considerable sum he has received for his story from The Sunwill not compensate him for the recent loss of a good contract as an ITV analyst. His tenure as PFA chairman has ended too. When the second part of his account of the last few months ā his wife Gemmaās story ā has been told in The Sun today and the attention fades, he will be left with the same, unforgiving fight faced by so many struggling with the same demons. Ralf Littleās words pierced footballās surface gloss. Some day, Carlisle may thank him for them.
[QUOTE=āBandage, post: 1087082, member: 9ā]Clark Carlisle has been dropped by ITV.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-the-secret-side-of-clarke-carlisle-that-sparked-ralf-littles-outrage-10027517.html[/QUOTE]
that will hit him hard, like a truck
ho ho the banter
Have written a piece on some of the above and lucky enough Irish Times have printed it today. If you like it please consider sharing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/mental-health-cambodian-and-irish-students-learn-it-s-okay-not-to-be-okay-1.2093013
Well done Ray:clap:
[QUOTE=āRaymond Crotty, post: 1089270, member: 25ā]Have written a piece on some of the above and lucky enough Irish Times have printed it today. If you like it please consider sharing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/mental-health-cambodian-and-irish-students-learn-it-s-okay-not-to-be-okay-1.2093013[/QUOTE]
Fair play Ray 
[QUOTE=āRaymond Crotty, post: 1089270, member: 25ā]Have written a piece on some of the above and lucky enough Irish Times have printed it today. If you like it please consider sharing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/mental-health-cambodian-and-irish-students-learn-it-s-okay-not-to-be-okay-1.2093013[/QUOTE]
Great work Ray.
[QUOTE=āRaymond Crotty, post: 1089270, member: 25ā]Have written a piece on some of the above and lucky enough Irish Times have printed it today. If you like it please consider sharing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/mental-health-cambodian-and-irish-students-learn-it-s-okay-not-to-be-okay-1.2093013[/QUOTE]
Great stuff Ray.
The walls of Limerick
It was said that a roasted apple could knock them they were so weak, but we still kept the huns out
@Raymond Crotty[/USER] are the Cambodians not more accepthing of their position in life in general? Or have they forgotten the doa? Iād say Mcdonalds, burger king and pizza hut are far more conducive to their anxiety than anything. In fact, they probably didnāt know what depression was until fellas like you started telling them about it, theyāll all be on the zanex and in therapy in the next 6 months. Cambodia has a fairly low suicide rate, iāll be keeping a close eye on this figure and if it rises in the slightest bit expect a lashing via [USER=129]@Thrawneen[/USER] and [USER=669]@Paul kimmage. Weāll expose you cunts and your cultural tourism at its worstā¦ I wouldnāt be surprised if your jolly is backed by some big pharmaceutical company.
[QUOTE=āChocolateMice, post: 1089295, member: 168ā]The walls of Limerick
It was said that a roasted apple could knock them they were so weak, but we still kept the huns out
@Raymond Crotty[/USER] are the Cambodians not more accepthing of their position in life in general? Or have they forgotten the doa? Iād say Mcdonalds, burger king and pizza hut are far more conducive to their anxiety than anything. In fact, they probably didnāt know what depression was until fellas like you started telling them about it, theyāll all be on the zanex and in therapy in the next 6 months. Cambodia has a fairly low suicide rate, iāll be keeping a close eye on this figure and if it rises in the slightest bit expect a lashing via [USER=129]@Thrawneen[/USER] and [USER=669]@Paul kimmage. Weāll expose you cunts and your cultural tourism at its worstā¦ I wouldnāt be surprised if your jolly is backed by some big pharmaceutical company.[/QUOTE]
Cambodia has one of the hightest suicide rates in the world.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/archives/reported-suicides-increase-in-2012-incidence-even-higher-11370/
Other than that your post is fair.
