Suicide

Vulture fund from Mayo :worried:

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In fairness, borrowing at sub prime rates ā€˜untilā€™ a lower rate loan comes through is asking for trouble. The cunts sitting across the table watching people sign these agreements have some neck though.

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8 suicides in the past 18 days in Laois. Really felt we were coming out of this somewhat, hadnā€™t heard of one in a while there for a bit. 8 since start of the month. Fucking hell.

Fuck me.

All young lads? A pact?

Fairly unrelated Iā€™m lead to believe. Latest a girl in her late 20ā€™s. Horrifying.

This is the thing. People label suicide as ā€˜such a wasteā€™ but is it not just (pardon the horrible expression) natural wastage as emotional beings from the toughness of this thing we call life?

Cold but perhaps a fair point.

Are other physical illnesses the same so, just natural wastage?

Extreme darwinism?

Survival of the fittest itā€™s called.

I suppose the point I am trying to make is that people will always die by suicide. This idea that suicide isnā€™t a ā€˜proper deathā€™ is frankly stupid,

Evanne Ni Chualain spoke very honestly about her brotherā€™s suicide recently. She said that she never saw him look so peaceful in the coffin after years of suffering with mental health. Almost something similar you would say about a physical illness.

Doesnā€™t mean you shouldnā€™t do all you can to stop it though. Very complex topic. Not sure there is right and wrong answers

And Iā€™m sure, despite ENC comments, she would still have done anything to change what happened

but its not natural, with adequate help and support its preventable in most cases. Iā€™m not sure I understand your darwinian reasoning, who are the winners, how have depressed people ā€˜lostā€™ in the race for mental health. its not an acceptable price to pay for the supposed progress of modern society, its often an indication of the many flaws of it

jesus that drives me ape, when someone comes out with the auld ā€œdidnā€™t they look greatā€ in reference to someone in a coffin, they are dead for fuck sake, how would you look lovely or great?

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Maybe alot of people are beyond help or counselling and just want to check out. After years of medication and in and out of shit holes like Ballinasloe. Living for the sake of living is pointless too. For the record, Iā€™m delighted with my life.

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I think what she was getting at was that her brother was a lost cause.

And some people are unfortunately.

Of course you should try to stop it. I never said otherwise. But life is fucking hard at times even without mental illness. Itā€™s inevitable that suicide will occur.

I donā€™t know what you are trying to say there. For a start what do you mean by it not being natural?

I just think thatā€™s something people say at a funeral to make themselves feel better tbh

Iā€™ve had a eureka moment.

A coffin themed fashion line, compressed, lightweight wooden casket outfits with limb spaces. Obviously there will be some practicalities to overcome such as sitting down and using the toilet etc but we could create hinges and flaps for things like that.

thats societies fault that people are essentially imprisoned in medieval torture chambers like ballinalsoe. If people could just see that life doesnā€™t have to be pointless they wouldnt want to check out

i wouldnā€™t consider suicide, often due to lack of adequate resources to help, to be a natural wastage as you suggested

How do you know itā€™s often due to not being given the resources to help?

Most people commit suicide because they have tried everything the medical world has to offer and still feel horrific, They lose hope.

Look, Iā€™m not trying to say that all suicides are not preventable but I do think that the view of all suicides being preventable is completely unrealistic.

I didnā€™t say all were preventable either. But lots and id confidently say most are. How many suicidal people are released from hospital almost immediately with no meds or follow up. How horrendous are conditions in some psych hospitals that people who need full time help and recognise that are terrified to go near them.