A cousin of mine in New York has three in college and another a year away, i was chatting with him about it a few weeks back and heâd laugh at those payouts.
Anyway Iâve lost sight of the original point which I think I misread anyway, perhaps our children on average will have a lower standard of living than us, only the pressure to lie about it on the social media of the future will be ferocious.
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Please respond to me calling you out on this point.
Maintaining that thereâs an inverse relationship between income and health is possibly the most out of touch with reality point anybody has ever made on this forum.
Ye are both right here, but are talking about different groups of people.
You are right in that the hardship caused by he western economic system can cause depression, for a variety of reasons.
The point labane is making is that being cosseted in the comfort of wealth not only doesnât prevent depression but in many cases precipitates it.
Reading his Copy & Paste efforts is worse.
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All classes are affected by depression. Nobody ever said otherwise. Itâs a statement of the obvious.
This is the key point he made.
It suggests a correlation between good health and low income and poor health and high income. This is quite plainly balderdash.
The correlation between poor health and low income and better health and higher income is firmly established.
Anybody can pick out individual cases that buck trends. They donât change the overall trends.
Itâs actually not that hard at all.
I canât respond to a point you claim I made that I didnât make.
My point is that a healthy lifestyle is available to most people, regardless of income. It is a choice to not exercise, a choice to not get a half hour of sunlight per day, a choice to eat shit food when healthy food is no more expensive, a choice to sit in front of a screen or holding a phone all day rather than interacting with other humans, etc.
My suggestion that high income individuals are more likely to have the above unhealthy behaviors is an opinion but borne out by the facts, wealthy individuals tend to have very poor balance in their lives and are preoccupied with work / wealth etc. It is well established that wealth does not correlate to happiness or keep depression at bay.
You have consistently linked depression to low income or poverty which is not supported by the facts. Maybe in the case of abject poverty, but the levels of abject poverty in the west are actually very low. Low income is not abject poverty. Why is the rate of depression so low in third world countries that actually have high levels of abject poverty?
The anthropologist Edward Schieffelin lived among the Kaluli in New Guinea for a decade and interviewed thousands during that time. He encountered one person that came close to meeting our western diagnostic criteria for depressive illness.
Why is that when this is a society where they have to go find food in the wild every day if they want to continue living? Sounds a bit depressing by western standards.
Itâs hard at the societal level, otherwise why have we such an epidemic of obesity? Sitting on the couch munching on junk food is easier than going for a walk. As I said itâs mostly about choices.
Itâs because we try to solve it for people already fucked.
Look 20 years ahead and work on the youth.
Simple.
There is little will too though
When youâre actually worrying where your next meal is going to come from you arenât so introspective I imagine.
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I agree itâs mostly about education, but where is the education going to come from? Obviously not from parents who have unhealthy lifestyles and no interest in changing. A compulsory healthy lifestyle class in schools I suppose is the only hope. It doesnât seem to be a priority though which is odd, given how much unhealthy lifestyles cost society.
Survival instinct is one of the strongest. Why did people struggle through concentration camps only to commit suicide in comfort decades after? I suppose having a purpose is key, tbat purpose might be just figuring out the next meal
True, but they also meet all the other criteria for a healthy life, exercise, sunlight, healthy diet, and maybe most of all strong family and cultural bonds and interaction.
snowflakes these days are unable to cope or deal with anything, any little problem at all and then all of sudden they are depressed or suffer from anxiety, the planet will be fucked in 20 years, as @Tim_Riggins said, you donât get this bullshit in poorer countries
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I havenât a clue on the science of these things. Perhaps the family bonds are there in terms of seeing a child genuinely struggle with hunger or cold, thus your mind is fixed on survival with them as you are living through that hardship. How often do we see horrific murder suicides of families happening to what would be called deprived families? Usually the spark of those is something else; a marriage breakup, a gambling debt or whatever- some impending âdoomâ that makes you behave irrationally.
It does seem to be another sickness of the west.
What we are losing / have lost in the West is human interaction. It doesnât mean we have to go back to a tribal society to fix it, but the habits of isolation are now well engrained. Social media is a very poor alternative to actual human interaction.
Well actually it seems like most deaths come in the developing world from looking at it - I will bow out of here as I have no idea what I am talking about and will leave it to the Googlers.
the wife was engaging in a bit of helicopter parenting today i felt whilst were were walking along the river boyne
cc @caoimhaoin
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Letâs go back to what you actually said.
This a clear implication of a belief that itâs easier for people of low income to live healthier lifestyles.
Youâve made no attempt to flesh this out - you canât, because itâs self-evidently nonsense.
Choosing a healthy lifestyle is less likely to be available to people of low income, because they are more likely to have to work longer hours, have less sleep, have a poor diet and live in poor housing conditions. They are more likely to suffer from stress and ill health. They are less likely to have have time to exercise, and are less likely to be able to pay for things like gym membership. Perceived low status contributes to lack of self esteem, which contributes to depression, which contributes to a reinforcing of the circle of an unhealthy lifestyle.
All the factors I list above limit the choice that people have, because they may not have the time or the energy to exercise.
Healthy food is more expensive.
I actually didnât, I linked low income to poor health, which is supported by facts, but now that you mention it, depression is indeed more prevalent among people of low income, and that is also supported by the facts, itâs thoroughly borne out by them.
In 2005â2010, the prevalence of depression among
adults 45â64 years of age was 5 times as high for
those below poverty (24%), 3 times as high for those
with family income between 100%â199% of poverty
(15%), and more than 1.5 times as high for those with
family income between 200%â399% (7%), compared
with those at 400% or more of the poverty level
(5%)
Again, you ignore the reality that reality - expectations = happiness, and prove my point that the economic system we exist in contributes to depression.
You linked poor health to increased wealth.
So, why do the poorest countries tend to be the ones with the lowest life expectancy and the richest the ones the with the highest life expectancy?
Hereâs more evidence that low income and poor health are associated. Youâre three times more likely to die of cancer in Blakestown than you are in Castleknock.
381 per 100,000 in Blakestown North-West
310 per 100,000 in Blanchardstown North
265 per 100,000 in Ballymun East
141 per 100,000 in Foxrock/Cabinteely SW
138 per 100,000 in Malahide East
128 per 100,000 in Castleknock South-East
https://www.cancer.ie/content/cancer-death-rates-double-many-poor-communities
Youâre literally trying to argue against reality here. Why do I not find that surprising.
People at the top are unhealthy.
And they do not see much of a problem