England voting for Exit within next ten years is the real game changer.
The Scots Welched when they had the chance.
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That isn’t going to happen within the next 100 years never mind the next decade.
Not too many I’m Alright Jacks in the coming generations though.
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After the repeal the 8th referendum the North is next was trending. I was thinking yes UI the guys and women are sorted and we are in 21st century. No it wasn’t UI just abortion up north.
They got that and are happy. With the same energy get a UI and they would have had the same rights.
They will be all alright jacks when we get rid of pronouns and masculinity
Can someone translate this for me please
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The youth got what they wanted and won’t put in the same energy for UI.
With respect, that’s rabble rousing, divisive nonsense and the exact sort of thing which would work to significantly undermine any hypothetical future Yes campaign.
Whatever about Harris, Bruton actually spoke very sensibly on the recent Claire Byrne debate – that the key thing in the near term is for the North to focus on a politics which increases mutual recognition, understanding and respect. Because that’s the sort of society which benefits everybody - whichever jurisdiction the North is in. Rather than a society obsessed with using flegs to bait “themmuns”.
And what definitely needs to happen is for a positive, pragmatic politics to emerge from within the Unionist tradition and gain traction – whether that is the Alliance, or a moderate Ulster Unionist party, a slightly less bigoted and less destructive, or at least smaller DUP, a combination of all those or something else. Something other than “never, never, never”. Unionism - or a majority of people from the Unionist tradition -needs to become detached from bigoted, far right social “values”.
But something other than “Tiocfaidh Ár Lá” also needs to emerge from Sinn Fein. “Up The Ra” needs to be banished.
It might interest you to note that the view espoused by Bruton on whether a border poll would be feasible in the near future – that it isn’t, and at least 10-15 years of softly, softly bridge building has to happen before it could be possible - is the same view espoused by Oisin McConville.
McAleese and especially O’Driscoll are the exact type of people who would be involved in fronting a Yes campign in the South, if and when it happens. Along with the likes of Neale Richmond and Heather Humphreys.
Any Yes campaign would be led by the very definition of Middle Ireland, most especially the type of people who are routinely denigrated here as “west Brits”. And it would need to be, because how a Southern Yes campaign was conducted would make a material difference to the atmosphere around a Northern campaign. And if Sinn Fein had any sense they’d largely stand aside during such a campaign in the south.
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Paddy won’t pay extra tax to fund a United ireland
Most of the above mentioned will be dead when the time arrives
Too many alright jacks up north worrying about NHS and cushy made up state jobs too.
I will as soon as you take your head out of your arse
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Gerry Adam’s was talking about a shared island 20 years ago. I don’t see why the only party who advocated unification should step aside when the campaign starts so the credit can go to establishment free state lapdogs. People in the south are obsessed with making sure SF can only be remembered for the IRA campaign.
It would be like asking Farage to stand down from campaigning for Brexit by Michael Gove and other blue bloods
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The #teamofus need to lead the Yes campaign. A statesman like Drico, Royal School Armagh alumni and Catholic GAA player Tommy Bowe. A leader of men in Rory Best.
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Why, does the truth irk you?
Holy Shit.
That’s an idiotic statement beyond any reasonable comprehension.
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Apparently only parties who want a two tier society should be involved in a United Ireland.
The status quo must be maintained.
Suffering fuck.
Campaigns are about winning. Southern SF are a threat to the success of not just a southern Yes campaign but a northern Yes campaign. If you want to win a referendum campaign - at least in a country in which most of the media aren’t rabid right-wing irredentist attack dogs like in England - the way you do it is by appealing to the middle ground. David Cullinane and Matt Carthy won’t do that. If southern SF have to be involved in some way, they put up their least “angry”, least Ra-associated people like Lynn Boylan and Louise O’Reilly, and they keep those who are most likely to tweet about the Ra on the sidelines.
The way the marriage referendum and the abortion referendum were both won comfortably was by bringing in as wide a spectrum of politics as possible in to the Yes campaign, by bringing in Timmy Dooley, Simon Coveney etc., making the change proposed seem non-threatening. And by sidelining people commonly thought of as “angry”. The “angry” people force a change in public conversation, they move where the centre is, but they don’t generally win referendums by themselves.
Once you get FG on board a Yes campaign, any referendum will be walked, and the change proposed would come across as unthreatening. The change proposed would come across as generous and positive - and a No vote would come across as mean and nasty.
A Yes vote in the Republic would also be walked because it can be framed in the following way: the status of Northern Ireland should be determined by the people of Northern Ireland - as per the Good Friday Agreement - a No vote in the Republic would deny the people of Northern Ireland the right to their own self-determination - and would be a major breaking of the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.
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Oisin McConville, who grew up kicking ball in the draught of British Army helicopters, said basically the exact same thing on a podcast a couple of weeks ago.
So you’re also calling Oisin McConville an idiot beyond any reasonable comprehension.