Sunday Indo are Cunts Thread

[iron_mike]

When are the pubs opening down south?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

Oisin McConville, who grew up kicking ball in the draught of British Army helicopters, said basically the exact same thing on a podcast a couple of weeks ago.

So you’re also calling Oisin McConville an idiot beyond any reasonable comprehension.

He did not and you’re talking out of your absolute hole here.

John Burton said the exact same thing he has said for the past 30 years.

John Bruton was one of the biggest obstacles to the peace process, he has nothing but utter contempt for Irish nationalism.

He has shown nothing but contempt for the plight of northern nationalists for his entire life and only someone who has taken an airbrush to Irish history could resonate with his views.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

He did not and you’re talking out of your absolute hole here.

Are you a Second Captains subscriber?

[Watchyourtoes]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

@Cheasty

Oisin McConville, who grew up kicking ball in the draught of British Army helicopters, said basically the exact same thing on a podcast a couple of weeks ago.

So you’re also calling Oisin McConville an idiot beyond any reasonable comprehension.

He did not and you’re talking out of your absolute hole here.

John Burton said the exact same thing he has said for the past 30 years.

John Bruton was one of the biggest obstacles to the peace process, he has nothing but utter contempt for Irish nationalism.

He has shown nothing but contempt for the plight of northern nationalists for his entire life and only someone who has taken an airbrush to Irish history could resonate with his views.

You are dealing with the resident West Brit now in fairness!

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

Are you a Second Captains subscriber?

I heard Bruton on Claire Byrne. Unless McConville has joined the DUP then he did not say the same thing as the unionist rhetoric that John Bruton espoused on Claire Byrne.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Basically Sid has gone full Eoghan Harris without any equivocation of his past views.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I heard Bruton on Claire Byrne. Unless McConville has joined the DUP then he did not say the same thing as the unionist rhetoric that John Bruton espoused on Claire Byrne.

So, given you haven’t answered the question about whether you subscribe to Second Captains or not, we can presume with a high degree of certainty that you haven’t heard the podcast.

So you’re saying McConville did not say what he said on a podcast despite you not having heard the podcast.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Basically Sid has gone full Eoghan Harris without any equivocation of his past views.

Ruth Dudley Edwards is paying me to post here. I’m also on a retainer from George Soros to post about other matters.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

I’ve answered your question. You’re talking out of your arse here.

John Bruton espoused the same lines he has done for 30 years on Claire Byrne. He’s a committed unionist and he fully thinks it was correct nationalists were subjected to institutional sectarian discrimination by the arms of the British state.

You think that is sensible. That says it all.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I’ve answered your question.

You didn’t. You very conspicuously avoided the question.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

You’re basically an Eoghan Harris parody.

Someone who posts emotional agenda driven nonsense without any shame about the absolute brazen level of contradictions you have with your past views.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

You didn’t. You very conspicuously avoided the question.

I heard the Claire Byrne show and I can guarantee you that what you said on Bruton speaking sensibly was complete tripe.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You’re basically an Eoghan Harris parody.

Ah yeah. Definitely.

[Cheasty]

So you haven’t heard the podcast. And thus have no knowledge of what McConville said.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

So you haven’t heard the podcast. And thus have no knowledge of what McConville said.

I didn’t need to.

I already seen you were speaking out of your arse on Bruton.

[iron_mike]

@Cheasty

@Special_Olympiakos

Gerry Adam’s was talking about a shared island 20 years ago. I don’t see why the only party who advocated unification should step aside when the campaign starts so the credit can go to establishment free state lapdogs. People in the south are obsessed with making sure SF can only be remembered for the IRA campaign.

It would be like asking Farage to stand down from campaigning for Brexit by Michael Gove and other blue bloods

Campaigns are about winning. Southern SF are a threat to the success of not just a southern Yes campaign but a northern Yes campaign. If you want to win a referendum campaign - at least in a country in which most of the media aren’t rabid right-wing irredentist attack dogs like in England - the way you do it is by appealing to the middle ground. David Cullinane and Matt Carthy won’t do that. If southern SF have to be involved in some way, they put up their least “angry”, least Ra-associated people like Lynn Boylan and Louise O’Reilly, and they keep those who are most likely to tweet about the Ra on the sidelines.

The way the marriage referendum and the abortion referendum were both won comfortably was by bringing in as wide a spectrum of politics as possible in to the Yes campaign, by bringing in Timmy Dooley, Simon Coveney etc., making the change proposed seem non-threatening. And by sidelining people commonly thought of as “angry”. The “angry” people force a change in public conversation, they move where the centre is, but they don’t generally win referendums by themselves.

Once you get FG on board a Yes campaign, any referendum will be walked, and the change proposed would come across as unthreatening. The change proposed would come across as generous and positive - and a No vote would come across as mean and nasty.

A Yes vote in the Republic would also be walked because it can be framed in the following way: the status of Northern Ireland should be determined by the people of Northern Ireland - as per the Good Friday Agreement - a No vote in the Republic would deny the people of Northern Ireland the right to their own self-determination - and would be a major breaking of the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.

Comparing a vote on the north to the marriage and abortion referenda is absolutely ridiculous.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I didn’t need to.

Cool. You know what was said on a podcast you didn’t hear. Right so.

[Tim_Riggins]

Pretty dreadful numbers in favour of a UI down south considering how embedded in the national psyche to get reunification. Those numbers will narrow further when the true cost is told.

NI even worse. After the successful U.K. vaccine rollout, fence sitters will plump to stay in London for another while.

Strategically it would terrible to have a referendum in the next 5 years. I guess the failed Provos living off U.K. pensions are desperate for something meaningful in their lifetimes. I’m afraid until Jarry and co. go to hell, this won’t be a realistic proposition.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

I know what you said on Bruton was fantasy stuff. So when you’re paralleling one thing to something that actually never happened then there is no point.

[Cheasty]

@iron_mike

Comparing a vote on the north to the marriage and abortion referenda is absolutely ridiculous.

Not at all. The techniques used to win referendum campaigns on matters which are largely appeals to emotion will tend to be broadly similar.