we can make excuses for every QB under the sun. injured, O-line, no receivers, shit OC, whatever. The best of the best work with what they have and thatās what makes them elite. I just dont think he is elite, or at least elite enough given the expectation. Hes an above average QB with a reasonable resume but far from spectacular, no more than that at the moment.
What a load of rot.
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Good point. My mind is changed.
Iāll furnish my thoughts on it lateā¦ some of us donāt spend the day in our rumpus room
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I am.
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depends on what country of origin I am talking about when the person presents their resume/CV. Luck has a resume, you have a CV. Iām interchangeable like that, you have to keep the talk relevant to the parties involved.
A valid excuse??
This isnt the christy ring where lads canāt hit it on their bad side. Almost every receiver in the NFL can play at the required level
Regardless of OC, thereāll still be pass attempts. True some coaches and co ordinators will make a qb look exceptional, tom brady being a good example
The biggest factor and why luck has none, give anyone time back there and they can flourish. Fitzmagic for example.
Iām not sure what you are responding with there. Do you think Luck has fulfilled the potential that came with him when he was the without doubt marquee QB coming out of his draft class? Injuries play a part in that discussion, if he isnt on the field, he isnt producing. Its terrible luck, to pardon the unintentional pun, but its still a factor in his overall equation unfortunately. Luck obviously has all the tools to be a great, but he hasnt, in my opinion, produced the hype. Neither has a lot of the QBs over the last few years and there is a big gap between the likes of Brees, Rivers, Manning etc to the next generation of big name stars like those. Maybe it is a case of being spoiled for the last 15 years, but there was a lot of duds coming through recently.
The biggest factor and why luck has none, give anyone time back there and they can flourish. Fitzmagic for example.
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This yearās iteration of Andy Dalton another fine example
You seem to be suggesting he can just get over all the obstacles (including bizarrely injury) and carry the team to glory himself. Who has done that? Brees certain didnāt in San Diego. Neither has rivers.
Sam Bradford the same in the opposite way
You are still completely missing the first question I asked.
Has Luck fulfilled his potential as the marquee undisputed No 1 draft pick?
No, and the reason that is, is that he has been hampered by never playing behind a top class line, and has had to scramble, run away and gets hit more often than others. Heās still won a lot of games on his own and on a different team would be just as good as brees etc
You have ignored my question too I see of giving me a quarterback who wins off his own steam, with terrible line, coaches etc
Surely your hero Aaron Rodgers fits that bill. Sure didnt he even do it in week 1 too after getting battered.
The best QB in the game? obviously, heās a freak of nature. Im not claiming luck is that, or was ever heralded to be. Youāre not squirming away that easy
Who claimed you said that about Luck. You have picked up on a comment that Luck has not fulfilled his potential and are trying to go down some obscure rabbit hole with it.
my original comment:
Andrew Luck likewise, been fine, injuries crippling him I suppose, but hasnt been a stud like expected
This was your comment. Reasonable resume?
You suppose?
Im not going down any rabbit hole. You suggested the best of the best work with what they have and that makes them elite, right above there, i said such as who. Your only answer is the best qb of this generation, Rodgers. A phenom. You have no other examples. If theres a WAR for qbs that could factor things like line rating etc in luck would be far better than just above average. But thats not really quantifiable i guess.
Christ. Last comment, because I think its pretty clear. I dont consider Luck elite. Not in the bracket of Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Manning etc. He has been above average, which I also said above. He has not matched the hype about him, due to whatever factors, coming out of college. The elite QBs of their era have had adversity too in some shape or form within their playing career, clearing that and becoming elite makes them. Luck could go on to have a stellar HOF career if injuries for him do not hamper him further and if the Colts improve. For now, he isnt there.