Might have been a recording, the lead singer was doing an interview and they did a cover of some sOng. It’s a regular Friday thing that’s why I assumed they were here.
Good decision to go watch them over Ireland anyway, would not blame any man fir that.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 751253, member: 273”]Might have been a recording, the lead singer was doing an interview and they did a cover of some sOng. It’s a regular Friday thing that’s why I assumed they were here.
Good decision to go watch them over Ireland anyway, would not blame any man fir that.[/quote]
you picked the wrong week to go all anti Irish on Kev
trap has done it again
I am happy to relate that I called this correctly.
[quote=“FingalRaven, post: 751262, member: 80”]you picked the wrong week to go all anti Irish on Kev
trap has done it again[/quote]
I would say wanting the best for Ireland and the best people in charge both at administration level and coaching level is very pro Irish. It’s very poor of you to accept mediocrity and the “odd” half decent result.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 751244, member: 273”]Fair enough point. But you are admitting, almost, what I am really saying. Trap should not ne in this position, it’s Irelamd (FAI) who is at fault. Trap should have walked but who would blame him for not. It’s the power’s that be should have something like you suggest in place.
I still believe McCarthy is a good enough player to be coached and Trap should be a better manager to have a better team put together by now. I din’t buy thT un this day and age with communication so easy that you can’t be building relations ( firstly), ideas and players even when they are not on International duty. It beggars belief really. I just think he has not done his job to the best of his ability.[/quote]
McCarthy certainly has talent and potential and can be coached and will doubtless improve. But Trap’s role is to select a gameplan and impose it as best he can. The FAI have done a lot of work in recent years in ensuring all underage teams use the same formation and system so that we’re developing players in the manner we believe to be best. But it’s not appropriate for the senior team to do that.
In a GAA analogy: I wouldn’t expect Donegal’s underage teams to play the way their senior team do. The senior team is results-oriented, and obviously that’s been very successful. But at Under 21 level and below (though minor and under-21 are probably taken too seriously in GAA in my opinion - Armagh were resting players from the senior team to have them fit for an under 21 game this week) the emphasis should be on coaching and player development.
McCarthy played a bit of underage football for Ireland but he didn’t come through our academies from a young age. The greatest responsibility for his development will be on his club - and they have the most to gain from his progress obviously. I don’t advocate not playing young players or anything - but Paul Green is capable of fulfilling a certain role as well as McCarthy is in my opinion. And if that’s the role that’s required and if Trapattoni feels he can trust Green more then the decision makes sense.
I really don’t think you understand GAA or playing top level sport if you can’t see the logic of keeping your best U21 players rested for championship and not play league. U21 and Minor are only played as championships so they have to be taken seriously. The benefits of winning are debatable, but they need to be of a high level.
Alot of GAA clubs play the same way right thru, Crokes, Nemo and Crossmaglen and they are very successful. But the important thing is to coach them to play, that’s what the best teams do, play with intelligence. It’s insane to be talking about systems with underage. If the FAI are doing this then it’s a flawed system.
The analogy is pretty irrelevant anyway though.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 751280, member: 273”]I really don’t think you understand GAA or playing top level sport if you can’t see the logic of keeping your best U21 players rested for championship and not play league. U21 and Minor are only played as championships so they have to be taken seriously. The benefits of winning are debatable, but they need to be of a high level.
Alot of GAA clubs play the same way right thru, Crokes, Nemo and Crossmaglen and they are very successful. But the important thing is to coach them to play, that’s what the best teams do, play with intelligence. It’s insane to be talking about systems with underage. If the FAI are doing this then it’s a flawed system.
The analogy is pretty irrelevant anyway though.[/quote]
Nobody said anything about a high level. I can see the point in taking a minor championship seriously maybe because most of those players won’t play much senior inter county. But under 21 matches are strangely popular now and that system should be used to develop players for the senior team, not to win a meaningless championship.
You don’t think coaching young players on how to operate in a system is important? Those idiot Germans and Dutch have been doing it wrong for years so.
[quote=“chewy louie, post: 750865, member: 1137”]What time is kick off tonight, pals?
I will be boarding my flight at 4.3pm (7.30 GMT) and won’t be online again until tomorrow morning but I fully expect us to get at least a point tonight[/quote]
Give Trap a new contract:clap:
[quote=“Rocko, post: 751282, member: 1”]Nobody said anything about a high level. I can see the point in taking a minor championship seriously maybe because most of those players won’t play much senior inter county. But under 21 matches are strangely popular now and that system should be used to develop players for the senior team, not to win a meaningless championship.
You don’t think coaching young players on how to operate in a system is important? Those idiot Germans and Dutch have been doing it wrong for years so.[/quote]
The reason 21’s is so attractive is because it’s usually entertaining. The players are a collective higher level than minor ( best players of 3 minors) and it is played with a little bit more abandon. Personally I would like to see an u20 championship trialled and both others scrapped. The LC has a big affect on minors and with Sigerson etc having very high participation numbers now I don’t believe both are needed. I think it will raise the overall standard.
Anyway we’re digressing, I know very little of the German system but I have read alot about the Dutch football system and my reading of it is systems have very little to do with it. They practice basic skills ad nausum and train players on decision making.
I believe those countries have nothing but population as an advantage over us, thus we could still produce more technically able players who make good decisions. If you got that far with our pride and determination I think we’d be in as good as place as Ireland can be in Intetnational football.
Why are you contrasting football with farm sports?
A decent performance last night against, it had to be said, an ordinary team. When people were asking me beforehand if we would get hammered by answer was ‘This is Sweden not Germany’. They have the most overrated player in the history of football with a few other reasonable players thrown in. But they are certainly no superpowers.
I thought Ireland played well enough on the night with the Gentleman Seamus Coleman and Mark Wilson impressing for me. Thought Robbie did ok as well. I was impressed with Hoolahan when he came on - always looked to get on the ball and create. A good result away from home considering our injuries but need to beat Austria Tuesday. I wouldn’t be hugely confident - as I have said before we’re better set up to play away from home. Here’s hoping though.
[quote=“farmerinthecity, post: 751331, member: 24”]A decent performance last night against, it had to be said, an ordinary team. When people were asking me beforehand if we would get hammered by answer was ‘This is Sweden not Germany’. They have the most overrated player in the history of football with a few other reasonable players thrown in. But they are certainly no superpowers.
I thought Ireland played well enough on the night with the Gentleman Seamus Coleman and Mark Wilson impressing for me. Thought Robbie did ok as well. I was impressed with Hoolahan when he came on - always looked to get on the ball and create. A good result away from home considering our injuries but need to beat Austria Tuesday. I wouldn’t be hugely confident - as I have said before we’re better set up to play away from home. Here’s hoping though.[/quote]
They may be relatively ordinary but in the context of international football they’re a decent team with a decent track record and certainly have more talented players at their disposal than we do.
I agree with Farmer about Kim Kallstrom being vastly overrated. Good left-footed set piece delivery but that’s about it.
[quote=“myboyblue, post: 751194, member: 180”]A mention for Davy Forde, never give up the dream, the oldest Irish debutant, and what a debut
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The boy from Westside done good:clap:
Well Rocko why are you? The child needs an answer.
They have One standout player, other than that they are not that more talented and certainly not more talented than the players we could have playing
Fucksake Sweden had a chap who plays with Burnley playing for them last night. How good were they going to be ?
Who was the chap who provided the awful and mangled rendition of Amhran na bhFiann last night by the way?
Anyone notice Keane having a go at Keogh after the final whistle? Presumably for booting their lad up in the air in the last minute which allowed them to launch the ball into the box leading to the effort saved by Forde.
[quote=“Bandage, post: 751423, member: 9”]Who was the chap who provided the awful and mangled rendition of Amhran na bhFiann last night by the way?
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Brian Byrne I believe the chap’s name was.
I assume he is trying to adapt football matters into something that will help you understand. Unfortunately for Rocko, he seems to have lost sight on what is important here, he has focused too much on finding a median to get his message across to you and has now found himself in a situation whereby the message does not make sense. Football is nothing like the GAA, in that it requires skill, intelligence and athleticism. GAA players are overweight, slow, unfit and the game itself requires primitive skill levels. They try to excuse this with the ‘amateur’ status, yet most of its players are free loaders who do not hold down proper full time jobs. The San Marino national team display higher levels of skill and athleticism than any GAA side and they are made up of amateurs who all possess proper full time jobs. Now that I have effectively settled this issue, I expect that talk of farm sports be dropped in this thread about football.