Surely deserved a phone call though Rocko? It’s a simple courtesy.
[quote=“carryharry, post: 750515, member: 1517”]Ireland team to play Sweden:
Forde; Coleman, O’Shea, Clark, Wilson; Brady, (Green),( Whelan), McLean, Keane, Long
Are we (fucked)?[/quote]
It’s a really poor team but reflective of the talent available unfortunately. Loads of morons were texting in to Off The Ball earlier with ill-informed opinions on Paul Green who has done nothing to deserve the criticism heaped at him. And of course James McCarthy was hailed as a world beater, despite his discomfort in a 4-4-2 and the fact that Green is a better holding midfielder which is what is required.
I don’t know if I’d have any major quibbles other than that charlatan O’Shea at centre back but that was inevitable obviously. He has no place in an Irish team with his pathetic attitude but we seem stuck with him for now. I’d probably have gone for Coleman on the wing (to give us a bit more protection) with maybe Kelly behind him and I’d have picked Westwood in goals but none of those were in any way likely selections.
What’s the explanation for this robbie Brady ‘mentality’ thing rocko? I’ve never heard anything like it before. Is there some family tragedy or something we’re not being told about?
how do the IRFU do it - get Brian Kenneddy to call around and he’ll provide a happy ending to go with the bad news
Not really - should he ring Stephen Ireland and Kevin Kilbane and Stephen Reid and Anthony Stokes and everyone else? Players used to be selected by getting a letter. In more recent times the squads were announced to the media so they found out on teletext or whatever in advance of the letter arriving. And out of courtesy they now get texts. I don’t think it’s any different to most other teams or to other sports even.
The last time Trap spoke to a player before not picking him for a squad was when he spoke to Kevin Foley before dropping him for Euro 2012 and he went to the media (understandably) with his disappointment.
If he rang Doyle it would have been no harm but it’s not the norm necessarily. And to be fair to Doyle he was obviously fairly unhappy at not being selected and didn’t make a massive issue of the manner of it. He spoke to Trap about that and mentioned that and it’s being blown into a massive issue when the main thrust of Doyle’s disappointment was that he wasn’t in the squad, not that he was dropped by text.
It’s not usual to pick the team a day in advance and I’m sure it’s just a way of getting a message to the player.
this happens all the time in football mate- the media are making a story out of it when in reality its nothing
I agree with this. Greens form for club has been notably better than say Doyle. I do think Green would be more effective playing in a midfield 3. Trap is asking a lot of him tomorrow night.
Doyle’s story is easy fodder for the media and they are driving it. Doyle should be looking at his own form struggling to score goals in the Championship, and this is being lazily avoided by the media. Okay Wolves are woefully poor right now but Doyle should still be leading the line with goals, if he was he would be in the team.
But he’s either putting massive pressure on a young lad before his first big game if he does play or calling his whole professionalism into question if he doesn’t start.
Maybe it’s a way of focusing Brady who doesn’t seem short of confidence but either way I’ve never heard anything like it before from a manager.
To be fair I agree with ya that too much is being made of the green and Doyle issues although I do think trap is on balance in the wrong on both.
[quote=“gola, post: 750601, member: 244”]But he’s either putting massive pressure on a young lad before his first big game if he does play or calling his whole professionalism into question if he doesn’t start.
Maybe it’s a way of focusing Brady who doesn’t seem short of confidence but either way I’ve never heard anything like it before from a manager.
To be fair I agree with ya that too much is being made of the green and Doyle issues although I do think trap is on balance in the wrong on both.[/quote]
Do you think the same when an intercounty team pick a team on a Thursday and then make 4 changes on the Sunday morning? I don’t really think it makes much difference either way but it’s only unique to Trap in soccer because he picks the team ahead of time. No other manager does that so the situation doesn’t tend to arise.
I do think the gaa thing is a bit stupid too but its different too because they would never say it outright that the player might not start if he’s not mentally right. Especially not a young inexperienced lad. Its very very unusual man management by trap, and thats putting it mildly.
The gaa thing is done to spring surprises on the opposition rightly or wrongly. It’s hard to know what traps trying to achieve here.
Out of the players available I’d have chosen:
Westwood,
Coleman, St Ledger, O’Dea, Wilson,
McCarthy, Whelan,
Walters, Hoolahan, McClean,
Long.
[quote=“Bandage, post: 750670, member: 9”]Out of the players available I’d have chosen:
Westwood,
Coleman, St Ledger, O’Dea, Wilson.McCarthy, Whelan,
Walters, Hoolahan, McClean,
Long.[/quote]
Looks a damn lot better than what starts.
[quote=“Bandage, post: 750670, member: 9”]Out of the players available I’d have chosen:
Westwood,
Coleman, St Ledger, O’Dea, Wilson,
McCarthy, Whelan,
Walters, Hoolahan, McClean,
Long.[/quote]
FFS!!!
[quote=“Rocko, post: 750590, member: 1”]Not really - should he ring Stephen Ireland and Kevin Kilbane and Stephen Reid and Anthony Stokes and everyone else? Players used to be selected by getting a letter. In more recent times the squads were announced to the media so they found out on teletext or whatever in advance of the letter arriving. And out of courtesy they now get texts. I don’t think it’s any different to most other teams or to other sports even.
The last time Trap spoke to a player before not picking him for a squad was when he spoke to Kevin Foley before dropping him for Euro 2012 and he went to the media (understandably) with his disappointment.
If he rang Doyle it would have been no harm but it’s not the norm necessarily. And to be fair to Doyle he was obviously fairly unhappy at not being selected and didn’t make a massive issue of the manner of it. He spoke to Trap about that and mentioned that and it’s being blown into a massive issue when the main thrust of Doyle’s disappointment was that he wasn’t in the squad, not that he was dropped by text.[/quote]
Just because its relatively the norm doesn’t mean its right. Trap clearly has problems gaining the respect of the players and little niggly things like this, that get blown out of proportion by the media, don’t help. I’m surprised an Italian doesn’t have the class to speak to the player personally, especially if he’s still holding out the possibility of a future return to the fold. Doyle scored at the weekend for Wolves btw.
This Doyle thing is a nothing story.
[quote=“Bandage, post: 750670, member: 9”]Out of the players available I’d have chosen:
Westwood,
Coleman, St Ledger, O’Dea, Wilson,
McCarthy, Whelan,
Walters, Hoolahan, McClean,
Long.[/quote]
mccarthy proved vs germany he wasnt up to it
Ah for fuck sake, they lost 6-1, nobody was up to it.
Ye all preach about Trap and his system and it takes time fir a player to fit in. Well maybe he needs time like all the other plebs who went before him.
Put a more talented guy into the system, train him up, get his head right and lord knows it might make the team better.
Trap should have gone long go, but to still defend his management ( I ain’t talking about texting) is stupid. Ye are all stupid, those who still support him.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 750717, member: 273”]Ah for fuck sake, they lost 6-1, nobody was up to it.
Ye all preach about Trap and his system and it takes time fir a player to fit in. Well maybe he needs time like all the other plebs who went before him.
Put a more talented guy into the system, train him up, get his head right and lord knows it might make the team better.
Trap should have gone long go, but to still defend his management ( I ain’t talking about texting) is stupid. Ye are all stupid, those who still support him.[/quote]
nah, put an expert into the position makes more sense
I agree with Rocko and Bandage (for once). The papers gotta write about something though, innit?
If there’s a controversy it’s that Sammon is pretty shit and Doyle, while currently in a very bad spell (I know he scored the weekend blah blah), at least has been known to be not-shit for the most part and saved the day against Kazahk only a few months ago and I’d certainly still have him in the squad.