Talk to joe 2016

Kev, if Maura from west cork with say hippy tendancies and an open mind arrived into your practice for a bit of respite following a cancer diagnosis would you offer her an ā€˜alternativeā€™ route to beat cancer?

Itā€™s a serious questions. Say she had Stage 2 (generally fightable with conventional medicine, type of cancer obviously important) and she was open to it, would you take her on.

Oh dear. A guy from a big Uni agreeing with much of our views. Saying the way cancer has been dealt with for 40 years is flawed. Oh dear.

I would look at it in a "improving the quality of life: aspect. I would look to talk to all of her practioners and fet as much info as possible. I do something similar with everyone, with permission of course.

Exercise improves the immune system, resistence training improves sleep etc.

It might just add 10% to her chances. Why not?

Educate yourself. Iā€™m very comfortable with my position.

But iā€™m trying to help prevention, obviously cure is harder. But i absolutely donā€™t believe Chemo and the likes are suitable for most, especially the doses, and as the Doc in the article says all it is doing is killing peoples inmune system.

Its why many many people are now refusing chemo and are happy to take their chances and just have a reasonable standard of life.

You need to broaden your mind.

Iā€™m quite comfortable with my education which enables me to easily see through gullible bullshitters like you who havenā€™t a clue what theyā€™re talking about.

You are the guilible one gere, you and the rest of the sheep. People who accept whatever people in power say without question even when what they do doesnā€™t make sense. Thats because you actually donā€™t think. And certainly not critically.

Complimentary therapy is quite common and widely encouraged within conventional medicine.
Iā€™m not talking about keeping well during treatment Iā€™m asking would you take her on if she was walking away from conventional medicine and willingly putting her cancer and her life in the hands of someone who believes there are other ways of curing cancer.

:smile:

No disrespect* Kev, but itā€™s very clear from your reading your posts over the years that youā€™re a gullible, conspiracy theorist loonball who tends to believe any half-baked nonsense they find.

*maximum disrespect

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No is the answer, i mean i would certainly help her with exercise, but would i tell her it can cure her? Of course not. I would work as part of an overall approach just like you mention.

No thats the comfortable boxed black and white image you want to create for me as its easier than questioning your own beliefs.
I just look at things differently and question things and certainly donā€™t believe what i am told by people in power without question. Has the last 15 years taught you anything?

I just make you feel uncomfortable, thats all.

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Alternative Medicine Is a $34 Billion Industry, But Only One-Third of the Treatments Have Been Tested

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/#7io4MAhllrPIRVvO.99

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who has long fought for stricter regulation of supplements, says the alternative medicine industry is ā€œas tough as any industry Iā€™ve seen lobby in Washington. They have a lot of money at stake. They want to maximize their profits and they want as little regulation as possible.ā€

Thereā€™s even a Congressional Dietary Supplement Caucus, composed of legislators who look favorably on the industry.

I donā€™t have to box you into anything, you do that perfectly well all by yourself. Youā€™re a classic conspiracy theorist fool. The Jim Corr of the forum.

Supplements? Come on ta fuck, stop trying to throw stupid shit like this in with Medicine.

Much of this medicine has been around for 2000 years and has been helping people fight sicknesses for that long.

Iā€™m not anti much of Western medicine, but a lot of it is just us being sold a pup by large organisations who have the money to market the shit out of it and prey on the sheep.

I donā€™t believe in conspiricies though, what part of that do you not understand about that?

I believe people take advantage of situations, sometimes tragic, to further their own gains or make money or gain more power.

You are actually as thick as shit and donā€™t know it. Remembering the corner back from the All-Ireland Minor Final in 1982 does not make you intelligent.

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The immune system? Is this doctor saying that the immune system can cure cancer? What is the relationship between stress and the immune system? Can some one fill me in here? My limited intelligence wasnā€™t quite fully able to grasp what was being implied about big pharma here also. Could someone also spell that out?

Sure you donā€™t.

Indeed they do, mate. Like snake oil-peddling ā€œalternativeā€ cancer treatment quacks.

I donā€™t remember who any of the corner backs in the 1982 All-Ireland minor final were*.

You might, given that you claim to have attended an All-Ireland final at the age of three.

*Although I do know that Dublin beat Kerry, that Joe McNally played in goal for Dublin and that Sean Wight played for Kerry (he died from cancer like his former Aussie Rules team-mate Jim Stynes - perhaps he wouldnā€™t have if heā€™d listened to you).

Donā€™t worry, a few of the other lads are the same, hopefully we have someone who can break it down for ye. I have tried and they donā€™t seem to get it.

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I was at an All-Ireland at the age of 1, 2 & 3.

I feel sorry for people like you.

I didnā€™t attend an All-Ireland until the age of 13.

Sure how could I compete with your 12 year head start?

Edzard Ernst
MD, PhD, FMedSci, FSB, FRCP, FRCPEd
Emeritus Professor, Exeter University

I qualified as a physician in Germany in 1978 where I also completed my MD and PhD theses. I received hands-on training in acupuncture, autogenic training, herbalism, homoeopathy, massage therapy and spinal manipulation.

Later, I became Professor in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (PMR) at Hannover Medical School and Head of the PMR Department at the University of Vienna. In 1993, I moved to the UK and became Chair in Complementary Medicine at the University of Exeter. I am founder/Editor-in-Chief of two medical journals (Perfusion and Focus on Alternative and Complementary Therapies).

I have published 48 books and more than 1000 articles in the peer-reviewed medical literature. My work has been awarded with 14 scientific prizes. In 1999, I took British nationality.

My research focussed on the critical evaluation of all aspects of alternative medicine. Unlike most of my collegues, I do not aim to promote this or that therapy, my goal is to provide objective evidence and reliable information. It is fair to say that this ambition did not endear me to many quasi-religious believers in alternative medicine.