Even cancer of the funny bone, Joe?
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What did Joe say?
That cancer was not funny.
The fact you think I contradicted myself means you havenât the faintest understanding of what I posted. My anecdotal examples were to demonstrate how useless anecdotal evidence is, you cannot draw any conclusions from a few random examples.
I donât refuse to look at alternative cancer therapies at all, and believe me I would love if they worked, but there is zero evidence to support the wild claims that are out there. Show us one study that has been done on alternative therapies with the kind of success rates of conventional therapies.
One oncologist who works in a large Dublin teaching hospital and who wished not to be named, in order to protect the anonymity of his cancer patients, is highly critical of alternative and complementary therapies. The oncologist said:
I have seen cancer patients literally waste months of what little life they have left researching herbal treatments, or taking them, or arguing with their family and loved ones about taking them. There are websites and sham specialists in Ireland and abroad who promise cures and tumour shrinkage and itâs understandable that, faced with death, some people cling to this and hope, of course it is.
He continued: âMany patients, especially in pancreatic cancer or oesophageal cancer, present to us so late that they have even less time. The earlier cancer is detected and the earlier treatment begins, the better the chance. Patients can buy anything online and you donât even know what is in these compounds. I had one patient say he wasnât going to âpoison his bodyâ with chemo anymore because it made him sicker and wasnât working.
He was reading these websites that say cancer treatment is a scheme cooked up by rich companies and doctors; one of those crazy sites that say the moon landing was faked, that sort of thing. This patient was dead in less than a year. We have to stress to patients that cancer treatment is tough and sometimes the best youâll get is an extra two months of lifeâŚbut in medicine you treat with what has been proven to work.
âAll it takes is one or two patients who have been taking some kind of alternative medicine and whose cancer entered remission or didnât progress, and they are held up as proof they can work. Which is dangerous. You can have the flu and eat an apple every day; if the flu doesnât turn into pneumonia you donât thank the apples.â
As pointed out by this oncologist, a general suspicion of âBig Pharmaâ can also be the problem. However, a drug is not licensed for use just because a pharmaceutical company spends millions marketing it. Much like the world of law, a drug is assumed to be ineffective until proven to be useful. Doctors only focus on drugs that have spent years going through carefully controlled and monitored clinical studies â they do not prescribe a drug simply because a drug company says it works.
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Who is Sandra Ryan and what are her qualifications in this area?
Sheâs a medical journalist, pal.
Are you saying the quotes from the oncologist in the article are made up?
No. Iâm just wondering why youâd post up some scÄal from some lassie who did a few hours in Leinster Road
Good man. I see youâre not arguing with the substance of what the oncologist says, preferring the alternative approach.
What do you think of vaccinations lads? Im guessing the lads advocating alternative medicine mumbo jumbo are against them!
Didnât yet man down in Clare cure cancer? Maybe thatâs who Kev is talking about?
The âoncologistâ who âwished not to be namedâ?
They donât do atudies on alternative medicines. The people donât feel they have anything to prove. Its a vhoice, you can try if you want, you can listen to someone else who had success.
The people generally donât give a fuck what the world thinks.
I like science, but its far from the be all and end all. Western medicine throws out science to validate anything. But the thing i always look at is the fact Western Medicine is around 200 years. Eastern is around 2000 years. There is an art to things as well, life is a mix of science and art.
That is some pile of waffle, even by your usual nonsensical standard.
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Sure of course they are going to fight their own corner. Fucking hell why canât people take a large look at things as opposed to being narrow and picking one side.
I would say with some diseases that are found late the only shot is modern zap them severe medicine and hope for the best. In alot of cases the stress this causes to the body speeds up to the process, but they have to do something. Its often too late and only delaying the process a bit. Its too far to make lifestyle changes that would help.
With other diseases or time lines a different approach may, can and has worked for some people.
I theorize that often things are not detected because people ignore warning signs from tgeir body.
But precention is better than cure, and healthy living, good food from the ground, plenty exercise, do what you love to do and more time with kids and loved ones should be promoted more than anything.
Giving money to cancer charities is largely a waste of time and money. The approach is backeards.
What is? Exactly. What do you think is waffle about it.
This is very true. Know a fella who got testicular cancer. Had no symptoms that you would expect such as lumps or pain in his balls. He just described it as feeling wrong in general but couldnât understand why. Iâd be long dead if that was me.
All about the immune system and how that is ultimately the cure for cancer
Classic Kev here.
Making nonsensical claims that i) stress is the main reason people get cancer, ii) there is no element of luck involved in people getting cancer and iii) that alternative treatments are better than science-based medicine in treating cancer. Then iv) writing reams of irrelevant noise when he canât defend his claims.
Quack, quack.
Get cancer, listen to people like Kev, end up dead quickly.
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