I for one can’t even stomach the idea of Fran’s young wan being taught by some ne’er do well on a job bridge scheme.
Nail on the head.
The usual arguments about holidays etc are normally doled out but I’d challenge anyone here who is in ‘an office job’ to spend a few weeks in a classroom with some of the kids Sid described above. Genuinely scary some of the shit you’d hear. It makes traditional office issues seem like a walk in the park. They may start on €32k pa but the most they’ll probably ever earn over their lifetime is about €50k - €60k pa. Not many private sector areas will have that limitation.
You say that Irish teachers are “vastly underworked” compared to other countries. Unfortunately the facts don’t back you up on that. In fact Irish teachers are overworked compared to the vast majority of countries.
The EU average for classroom hours per year for secondary teachers is 634. Irish teachers total 735. Your beloved Finland totals only 550.
For primary teaching, the EU average for classroom hours per year is 778, with Irish teachers clocking 915 hours, Finland only 677.
In fact you’ll find very few countries where teachers work harder than Ireland.
http://www.oecd.org/edu/highereducationandadultlearning/48631582.pdf
Well I was actually describing the kind of cliched drivel spouted on threads like this by people who take their world view from the Sindo or the Daily Mail, but your point is very valid.
Harder or inefficiently my friend? The problem with the cunts is the shit ones get paid the same as the good ones because of a lack of performance management. I’m sure we’ve all had our balls fondled by a Christian Brother who could barely write who gets paid more than Robin Williams who taught me Maths and inspired me to fingerbang Minnie Driver yet because the cunting Brother is there longer he gets the readies-fuck Bertie anyway.
Why direct your ire at performance management purely at teachers? Why not the entire public & civil service?
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Really hard to judge performance though without creating a huge sub-industry of assessors.[/quote]
I don’t know. You could create a subset of teachers to manage the school. You could give them a special name like ‘principals’ and even an extra pay allowance. They could assess and performance manage and reward their top performers much like any business unit.
For those who say you can’t compare teachers performance - thats bollox. Think back to your time in school. Everyone, pupils/parents/teachers, knew who the ‘good’ teachers were and which ones were the lazy useless ones.
If I worked full days and only did those hours I’d do less than 100 days a year.
Throw in the state pension aswell and I think I’d be happy enough with 50-60k a year
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If I worked full days and only did those hours I’d do less than 100 days a year.
Throw in the state pension aswell and I think I’d be happy enough with 50-60k a year[/quote]
The pension is huge… how much would a member of the public sector have to contribute to get an similar one?
Sidney cleaning house here with - would you credit it - facts.
-1. I didn’t. And I’m sure there are plenty like me.
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these people have a vocation and have one of the most important roles in society
its sickening to think bankers and the like earn more than teachers especially when you consider the shit that they have caused
Teachers, will they ever learn.
Classic flano :lol:
I have plenty of ire for the rest of the public service as well mate but it’s teachers that are the topic of conversation here. What the teachers don’t realise is that there is a huge premium on the fact that they have a job for life no matter how shit they are at it and can retire with exceptionally large pensions paid for by my taxes. If my employer came to me and said you can have 4 months off a year, we will no longer monitor your performance, we guarantee to give you a job for life and we will give you a massive pension when you retire that you only have to contribute peanuts to, then I wouldn’t be whingeing about having to start off on €32k a year as a 22 year old. As stated before, these cunts don’t know they were fucking born.
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You were obviously a very unattractive kid then Fagan.
Why has it suddenly become acceptable to turn on pension schemes as some sort of luxury item? Part of the reason for taking up employment with the state is the fact it has provided a decent pension. That’s an attraction obviously but it should be the aspiration for everyone, not treated as some sort of anomaly that we need to rid the country of.
Because the country can’t afford them that’s why. If part of the plan to pay public service pensions is to increase the tax take from private sector employees, then it shouldn’t come as a huge surprise to you that 1 or 2 might question that. Also, the generous pensions afforded to public service workers was an acceptable advantage of working in the public sercice when they were relatively low paid-thanks to Bertie’s benchmarking, this is no longer the case. You can’t have your cake and eat it too my friend.
Because private sector workers have taken massive hits but are still being asked to support bloated public sector salaries