This thread has skilfully been maneuvered away from Muslim scum recruiting jihadists in Ireland.
This fact that the dogs in the street knew about this all along yet it has been like a mantra denied by the Trevor Hogan wannabes who post here - @glasagusban@Sidney
Now that this fact has come into the public domain the next logical step is to put the muslim community here under pressure. This is where the Isis scum have been living, hiding, praying etc
It is their responsibility to be proactive now that they have been caught harbouring these animals.
Fair is fair. Time for the Muslim community in Ireland to act.
theres not much point debating you or glas, the warmth your getting from your smugness is unbeatable at this stage. But here goes. I think pilger, fisk, chomsky are extremely right thinking individuals, iāve read them but as right thinking as they are, the regimes in some countries such as saudi and sadaams iraq are not, they donāt respond to reasoned thought so no point reasoning with them. Or placing sanctions or political pressure because they donāt work.
the people that marched against the iraq war comprised of decent people who hate all war, and rightly so, as innocent or misguided youth are sent to be slaughtered at the whim of decision makers who are far removed from the front lines. another portion of the crowd who marched would be the anti US brigade who will march against whatever policy the american military undertakes, most of those US policies are extremely wrong, some are justified.
you stated, above, that you would have left sadaam in place. sadaam tortured, gassed, murdered disappeared his own helpless citizens. But you stated you would have left him in charge? my opinion is that he had to be removed, he was a dictator. The fuck up was that it the invasion was purely an oil and land grab, not for the correct humanitarian reasons. And also the total lack of a plan for after the invasion led it to be a near disaster in hindsight. But that is hindsight and the fault of the international community, the removal of sadaam was an entirely justifiable reason for invasion. Similarily in saudi you have a regime which funds terrorism and the spread of insane fundamentalist ideals. should this not be removed? i certainly think so.
Most US policy has been a disaster, for the countries that have stuck their oar into. Almost an unqualified success for the US hawks themselves who get resources and business interests sorted for decades. Their greed is apparent but covered over by patriotism and a deference to military service.
like when you said you had an opinion, but that it was too long winded and complicated to be outlined on here. Then when pressed for said opinion, you admitted you made that up, that you really didnāt have oneā¦canāt wait for your next engagement
they have already acted, imams and prominent muslims have come out and said they are worried about the spread of it here. they are the decent people on the ground, most muslims are, but will the government help them, look into their concerns? will they fuck, they are terrified of being branded racists by the PC brigade like our two resident shriekers
All the people you mention in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this post would have left Saddam Hussein in place, rather than invade Iraq.
Yet alone among those people, all of whom have the same view as myself, you say that āIām OK with him gassing Kurdish kids to deathā.
You can see how this makes you look like a screaming fool, yes?
Can you see how this makes you look like a total hypocrite, given you defend the Iraq invasion and advocate the invasion of Saudi Arabia?
Itās a fundamentally irreconcilable position to complain about āinnocent or misguided youth being sent to be slaughtered at the whim of decision makers who are far removed from the front linesā, while advocating this very policy, far from the front lines, in British Columbia or wherever you are.
Your excuses for why the US invasion of Iraq didnāt work smack of the dog ate my homework. Any excuse, any deflection, but no mention of the central and obvious reason - the vast majority of the people of Iraq didnāt want them there.
Amazingly enough for you to know, Iād love the Saudi regime or any despotic regime gone and replaced with a liberal, democratic government, like, oh, say, Sweden, if that were possible. But it isnāt.
The thing is that you still seem to be under the impression that by going to war against despotic regimes the US can flick a switch and impose freedom and democracy, except of course, they canāt. They can and will only make things worse by interfering in places where they are so clearly not wanted, as they have done again and again and again. You want to add another āagainā to that already very long list.
I think youāll find it was one of @HBVās own supporters that did that.
Can you outline what it is that annoys you about political correctness? Because in my view itās overwhelmingly a good thing that is fundamentally based on respecting people.
Read back over your posts to see whoās been shrieking.
Both myself and @glasagusban have consistently and comprehensively outpointed you and others on pretty much every topic thatās been brought up.
You or him have given no opinions whatsoever, and have āoutpointedā others in your own head. You think people didnāt want regime change in iraq, i think youāll find the shia and kurds most definitely did. Sure were the allies right to invade nazi germany and impose regime change, the germans certainly didnāt want them there?
Youāre constantly calling me a fool and also giving long responses to pouints Iāve made in my posts, so I think thatās a pretty clear indication that Iāve given opinions and plenty of them.
You still canāt grasp the concept of choosing between one bad choice and one terrible choice, can you?
In other posts you strongly object to any Nazi references, and now here you are with the Nazi references. The irony.
Youāve failed to answer a whole series of valid questions and points Iāve aimed at you, and also failed to address the fundamental and unintentionally hilarious contradictions in your own points.
I might get around to giving a response to your rather infantile question when you do that.
as it blows your braindead arguments out of the water, Iām guessing you wonāt get around to answering it anytime soon. But please list the points Iāve refused to respond to, I thought Iāve answered them, if not point them out to me, I wonāt go off in a huff refusing to answer them like you, or I wont be on the spot with the spell check either, your other favourite tactic
Thatās all very well. The problem is that Daesh donāt operate in a politically correct manner. Therefore other measures to deal with them are needed. Suppress their supporters, kill as many of their operatives as possible and respect their human rights as much as they respect those of their victims. Holding hands wonāt work.
You failed to engage with anything in this post, for a start.
You fail to address:
i) Why you think the people who wrote against and marched against the Iraq War were ādecent peopleā, but I apparently, support gassing Kurdish people.
ii) Your fundamental and simplistic misunderstanding in thinking that a despotic regime can simply be overthrown by the US without it leading to unforeseen consequences that make the situation far worse and far more complicated than if there was no invasion.
iii) Your failure to understand the lessons of the disaster of US foreign policy since World War II and your laughable attempts to try and disassociate yourself it from supporting it despite advocating a continuation of it. Very David Aaronovitch-esque.
iv) Your frankly hilarious advocacy of the writings of Chomsky, Pilger and Fisk when compared against your advocacy of everything they have railed against.