TFK's Far Right - Watch thread (no spongers allowed)

I’m still waiting on you to fill us in on who funds Gript and what their goal is.

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It’s funded by the Life Institute.

We know Gript are affiliated to the loonies of Youth Defence, because Arse has admitted it himself.

In my view the point of Gript - and I’ve yet to hear anybody make a plausible counterpoint - is to advance far right politics by destroying media literacy, advancing extreme cynicism and gullibility - the proven formula for winning people over to the far right - using hyperbolic comment articles, and uncritically cheerleading far right figures and using lowest common denominator “gotcha” fake “journalism” which destroys context and shouts hyperbolically like US far right outlets like Fox, Breitbart, Newsmax and the plethora of online fake news propaganda outlets like Gateway Pundit. Everything with Gript is about distortion.

Its aim, if it is successful enough, is ultimately to destroy the fragile eco-system within which liberal democracy exists, and thus to destroy liberal democracy in favour of kleptocratic authoritarianism. This is always the aim of these outlets.

The best hope Ireland has is that Gript by definition pushes a colonialist, imperial, backward looking ideology. Ireland as a former colony with no imagined golden era of the past is better placed than others to resist that, but far from completely protected.

Why has Minneapolis just voted for increased funding then, after voting to reduce it last year? LA the same, other cities following suit, all run by Democrats so not a Republican plot?

Strangely enough those living in US cities especially minorities want more policing not less, of course there’s reform needed but the core issue that concerns normal people is crime and specifically violent crime as that’s what effects them. Do you think Asian Americans being assaulted want less policing?

The big issue right now is police resigning in their droves (Minneapolis is down 200 officers about -25%), which means less policing in inner cities, which is a bad outcome for all non criminal people living there.

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Could you address the questions I asked you?

How many seats do far right parties win in Irish elections, either at local or national level? Sounds to me like they are a tiny minority

A complete irrelevance but without the ‘work’ of ‘citizen journalists’ they would destroy democracy :laughing:

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I did, the main issue facing the great majority of people living in US cities is violent crime, not police violence or police corruption. Policing needs reform but the great majority of people living in US cities care about being protected from violent criminals. You have zero experience of living in a US city, but of course you are an expert.

Several TDs play to the right wing populist agenda. The Healy Raes, Michael Collins, Verona Murphy, Peter Fitzpatrick, that gobshite O’Donoghue in Limerick, Noel Grealish in Galway. Peter Casey saw his vote increase from 1% to over 20% by going full blown racist. Fine Gael have elements that like to play to it now and again. The logical endpoint of that, if it gets enough traction, is genuine far right politics, because it is based on making politics tribal, stoking up fear and low information anger. That sort of tribal right wing politics pretty much always ramps on and on into insanity, because it requires a rejection of the concept of truth, and once you’re on that road, there’s no going back. We see it again and again throughout the world. Especially in American right-wing politics, where in the Republican party, belief that Biden won the election is now seen as an ostracisable offence, and belief in democracy as a whole has collapsed in favour of an imagined fight to the death against “evil” liberals. This has turned the Republican party into a genuine agent of evil, where it defines itself by being on the wrong and most hateful side of every issue.

You didn’t.

What argument is there to say that civil asset forfeiture is a good thing?

What’s the argument to say “more tanks = better policing”?

So no far right TDs then, got it. Democrats control all three branches in the US and Republicans are in disarray so wouldn’t worry too much about the far right for now. The greatest threat to Democrats as always is themselves.

Your problem is that you refuse to see how that leads into real far right politics because you have no problem with it doing so, you like it.

Democrats’ problem is their leadership is far too soft and refuses to see the threat from Republicans’ attacks on democracy. Despite being on top now, if they don’t pass comprehensive federal voting rights legislation before 2022, they will be fucked for a generation at minimum and the US will have minority rule by the US Nazi Party, aka the Republicans.

I think Declan Ganley might be one of the main movers behind gript

Neither police corruption nor bigger guns is a good thing. However as always you miss the important thing, the homicide rate was up 36% in US cities last year, and policing is down, due to cops resigning and cuts to budgets. Those cuts are now being reversed, why do you think that is? Why are mayors in Democratic and Republican cities now all talking about law and order and increased police funding? What a difference a year makes, policing was bad last year and now is good.

Not a notion of that happening, Republicans couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery let alone win an election currently. If that dynamic changes it will be due to Democrats fucking up, like the economy tanking or crime getting worse. So far Biden’s administration is quite popular.

By far the best way to police is by building relationships. You don’t do that by funding militarisation and making out like bandits from civil asset forfeiture. You do it by painstaking community work over many years, engaging and listening. You do it at a political level by progressive left policies which give people a stake in society. You do it by acknowledging the immense harm your forces have done to people of minority ethnicity.

Republicans know how to rig elections on a state level. That’s all they need to do. The gloves are off now. No more Raffenspergers. It’s the party of Q.

That doesn’t help people being attacked on the streets, robbed at gunpoint, home invasions, gang warfare, etc. etc. You are hopelessly naive, and always seem to be on the side of violent criminals.

And that right there is modern right-wing politics in a nutshell. “You are on the side of the criminals”.

It’s ludicrous.

There’s simply no reason to take you seriously when this is how you debate.

The Republican Party itself has now proved which side its on, and it sure isn’t the side of being law abiding.

Well said. As @maroonandwhite has pointed out, the MSM has dropped the ball in recent times. A basic critical analysis of the utter shit published in the likes of the Irish Times would tell you that. If you read the rubbish that Naomi O’Leary has been writing, you’d wonder how a once great pillar has fallen so far. Gratuitous insults, key information conveniently omitted, and malformed inferences without evidence.

I’d have to agree with you on that, but the same can be said for a lot of the rubbish that the supposed left-centre Irish Times is publishing of late. Sad to say it.

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