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[artfoley]

@Batigol

Other countries return Dublin 3s immediately. We don’t

nope, we dont. we even had lawyers looking for a dublin 3 appeal to be heard before return

[Batigol]

Some lawyers get on about their clients before they’ve landed. Which is illegal.

[artfoley]

@Batigol

Some lawyers get on about their clients before they’ve landed. Which is illegal.

dunno how they can call them clients if they havent done the formalities. maybe start reporting them to the law society.

I’d imagine id be able to name 2 or 3 of the firms involved

[Batigol]

Yeah but sure it achieves very little.

Legal profession making a killing from our immigration policy

[Malarkey]

@PauloMaldini

This is the most recennt CSO data, for the year ended April 2022. Population increase of 88,800,
There were 120,700 immigrants, 28,900 returning Irish nationals, 24,300 from EU, 4500 from UK and 63,000 non-EU (of which 28,000 were Ukrainian). Emigration 59,600. Natural increase was 27,700: 60,700 births and 33,000 deaths.

Key Findings - CSO - Central Statistics Office.

So 45000 people came into 26 Counties during a 12 month period, people who are not returning Irish, UK, EU or Ukrainian. Can anyone break down the composition of that 45000 people? How many of them, for instance, came to work in Ireland for a company?

[artfoley]

@Batigol

Legal profession making a killing from our immigration policy

there’s an easy fix: wasted costs orders handed out in the asylum list. return asylum JRs to legal aid.

[ironmoth]

@PauloMaldini

This is the most recennt CSO data, for the year ended April 2022. Population increase of 88,800,
There were 120,700 immigrants, 28,900 returning Irish nationals, 24,300 from EU, 4500 from UK and 63,000 non-EU (of which 28,000 were Ukrainian). Emigration 59,600. Natural increase was 27,700: 60,700 births and 33,000 deaths.

Key Findings - CSO - Central Statistics Office.

That link claims that net migration is at a 10-year high, whereas…

@Cheasty

Net migration to Ireland has been steadily declining in recent years.

[Bandage]

I’d trust Sid over Labane any day of the week, pal.

Sorry @Cheasty over @PauloMaldini.

[ironmoth]

Trust no one.

[Thomas_Brady]

There were 120,700 immigrants, a 15-year high.

[ironmoth]

@Malarkey

@PauloMaldini

This is the most recennt CSO data, for the year ended April 2022. Population increase of 88,800,
There were 120,700 immigrants, 28,900 returning Irish nationals, 24,300 from EU, 4500 from UK and 63,000 non-EU (of which 28,000 were Ukrainian). Emigration 59,600. Natural increase was 27,700: 60,700 births and 33,000 deaths.

Key Findings - CSO - Central Statistics Office.

So 45000 people came into 26 Counties during a 12 month period, people who are not returning Irish, UK, EU or Ukrainian. Can anyone break down the composition of that 45000 people? How many of them, for instance, came to work in Ireland for a company?

35,000 by my quick count. The CSO does not give a breakdown of how many came for work or what countries they came from.

[PauloMaldini]

Conspiracy theorists like @Bandage don’t accept official government data.

[Malarkey]

@ironmoth

@Malarkey

@PauloMaldini

This is the most recennt CSO data, for the year ended April 2022. Population increase of 88,800,
There were 120,700 immigrants, 28,900 returning Irish nationals, 24,300 from EU, 4500 from UK and 63,000 non-EU (of which 28,000 were Ukrainian). Emigration 59,600. Natural increase was 27,700: 60,700 births and 33,000 deaths.

Key Findings - CSO - Central Statistics Office.

So 45000 people came into 26 Counties during a 12 month period, people who are not returning Irish, UK, EU or Ukrainian. Can anyone break down the composition of that 45000 people? How many of them, for instance, came to work in Ireland for a company?

35,000 by my quick count. The CSO does not give a breakdown of how many came for work or what countries they came from.

Sorry if my own quick count is out by 10000, which it is, exactly as you note. 63000 minus 28000 equals 35000.

But core point remains, of course. Can this group of 35000 people be further analysed? I am presuming that a significant amount came to Ireland because they got a job here. Are there any other categories involved apart from ‘asylum seekers/refugees’?

[Batigol]

There’s loads of categories. Work permits, dependents of work permit holders, family reunification, investors in Louth GAA etc. I don’t know where you’d get a break down of them though.

[Batigol]

I would add that the vast, vast majority of people moving here do so legally

[Ambrose_McNulty]

@artfoley

maybe start reporting them to the law society.

Self regulation, some laugh.

[Malarkey]

@Batigol

There’s loads of categories. Work permits, dependents of work permit holders, family reunification, investors in Louth GAA etc. I don’t know where you’d get a break down of them though.

Thanks. What you cite is logical. What I am wondering is the obvious question: how high a percentage of this 35000 strong group are asylum seekers/refugees/illegal economic migrants?

The debate around immigration is important – but hard to carry out with much point unless the relevant figures are known.

[ironmoth]

@Malarkey

Can this group of 35000 people be further analysed? I am presuming that a significant amount came to Ireland because they got a job here. Are there any other categories involved apart from ‘asylum seekers/refugees’?

I’m sure it can, but via FOI. It is not readily available on the CSO website, as the countries forming the “rest of the world” cohort has been scrubbed.

[Malarkey]

@ironmoth

@Malarkey

Can this group of 35000 people be further analysed? I am presuming that a significant amount came to Ireland because they got a job here. Are there any other categories involved apart from ‘asylum seekers/refugees’?

I’m sure it can, but via FOI. It is not readily available on the CSO website, as the countries forming the “rest of the world” cohort has been scrubbed.

This unavailability seems to me a significant lacuna. Vacuums are drivers of speculation on all sides of the political spectrum.

[Batigol]

No group has increased with anything like the rate of the passport flushers, I can guarantee you of that