The Battle for Sam 2009

Matches like today can be misleading. Westmeath got within two points of Dublin last year and beat us in the Division 2 league final. Even after we beat Wexford by 23 last year they got to the semis not Dublin.

Don’t agree at all that the championship should be split into two divisions. Every county should be eligible to win Sam in any year. A lot of teams are shit mainly because they are badly coached and don’t have the right preparation or because there simply isn’t the will to do anything. This is often down to incompetent county boards. Many of the Leinster counties would fall into this category.

Football is totally different to hurling where you need to be playing from a very young age. Most of the skills aren’t that difficult and there isn’t that big a gap between most teams.
For me the notion of an All-Ireland B football title is and always has been a waste of time. There’s no reason that any county can’t at least be respectable if things are done right.

Antrim have showed that this year. Kildare up to about a year ago were appalling but with the right coaching and preparation McGeeney and Grimley have been able to mould them into a powerful unit in a short space of time. Offaly came from absolutely nowhere to win Leinster in 1997 playing brilliant football. Fermanagh got agonisingly close to an All-Ireland final in 2004. Since 1991 19 of the 32 counties have reached an All-Ireland semi-final and others like Laois, Westmeath and Sligo have won provincial titles.

Re the provincial championships, I’m undecided about whether they should go but would keep them for now, so much of the GAA is built on local rivalry. Not sure if an open championship would be all some people think it would. The provincial finals themselves would be a big loss.

A bit pointless really trying to analyse today as Westmeath had already given up before they left the dressing room, but you can’t fault Dublin. It was the speed of the low diagonal balls coming in that really killed Westmeath. Dublin forwards were out first every time and either turning and shooting themselves or giving it to the runner coming in at pace. Fairly simple stuff but the pace of the ball coming in was the key. You really need a dry day to play that kind of pass, Dublin tried it aginst Tyrone last year and the ball kept skidding off the turf.

Still not sure if Dublin have the ability to think on their feet and adapt their tactics if things go against them and they won’t learn anything from today. The loss of Davoren is a huge pity as his ball winning ability enabled Dublin to vary the ball in a lot more by lobbing in a high one. Sherlock was brilliant today, always 100% aware of where his team mates are and picked out some fantastic passes. Great football brain.

Dublin have learnt nothing from the first two games. I feel a lil sorry for them to be honest.

Brolly: Kerry in ‘terminal decline’
By Michael Moynihan

Wednesday, July 01, 2009

JOE BROLLY believes Cork’s Munster SFC semi-final win over Kerry is as much an indication of the Kingdom’s “terminal decline” as anything else.

The outspoken Derry man feels Tyrone have the indian sign over the Kingdom and that Cork have now emerged as the most serious threat to Tyrone in the race for Sam Maguire.

In a fascinating appraisal of the state of play in the football championship on the first day of July, Brolly said: "There are real signs that Tyrone have put Kerry in terminal decline. Jack O’Connor came back solely to work out the Tyrone conundrum and he may have underestimated the psychological damage Tyrone have inflicted on his squad.

“I think deep down the Kerry players feel they can’t beat Tyrone in a big game in Croke Park. Last year was their greatest opportunity and in spite of the fact that they had such a devastating full-forward line, and that Tyrone were shorn of their best forwards, Tyrone still beat them and without playing that well.”

Brolly sees further evidence for his theory in the Tyrone-Kerry league game this year.

“At half-time Tyrone were about 10 down but then stuck into Kerry and cut them in two in the second half. The clock just ran out on them. Even though Tyrone lost that game they came out with a psychological advantage. Kerry haven’t learned anything from Tyrone. Declan O’Sullivan still goes on long solo runs out of his own defence, the Kerry backs set up man to man and their midfield remains immobile.”

Brolly feels Cork are now better equipped to succeed on the September Road. “Cork have to dominate Kerry if they’re to win an All-Ireland and that process is well underway. Unlike the last couple of seasons, when I said the preceding games were meaningless, this is different. Cork dismantled Monaghan in Croke Park. People said Monaghan weren’t up for it, but their strength has always been in the middle third of the field which they turned it into a quagmire for Kerry in recent years, only for Kieran Donaghy to rescue them. Cork dominated there totally against Monaghan.”

The Derry man says Cork have learned how to play against Kerry from Tyrone. "After beating Kerry, Tyrone’s focus will now have moved to Cork. They just want to win an All-Ireland but this is a new and unexpected element for Tyrone. Kerry seem to me to be in decline. Tommy Walsh is a one-trick pony – if he gets the ball 40 yards from goal and you stay close to him he’ll barge past you and head for goal, but if you stand off him and wait for him to come onto his left then he won’t do any damage.

"Tyrone figured that out for the All-Ireland final last year, and Cork have learned from that. Walsh doesn’t have the speed of thought or foot to deal with proper, logical defending. Colm Cooper can only do so much for Kerry, while Cork are approaching the game cleverly.

"In Killarney, when Kerry had the ball on the wing they transferred it through the middle, where Colm Cooper made diagonal runs across the middle; his outside players didn’t even have to look when delivering it.

"In the replay Anthony Lynch stayed inside him so he made those runs first. The Kerry players weren’t looking where they delivered it again but that was because of the force of Cork’s tackling, and Lynch came away with the ball every time.

“You can’t beat logical defending. When Tyrone played Derry in the league they put PJ Quinn, just out of school, on Eoin Bradley, who was running up big scores. PJ was told to keep Bradley off his left foot so he took a big step out to Eoin’s left every time and out of his 21 possessions, Eoin had to lay it off with the hand 20 times. Clever football.”

Brolly concedes Kerry have one player, however, who might turn things around for them. "Kieran Donaghy is Kerry’s most important player. That was underlined when they began their experiment with him, because Cork couldn’t do anything with him. It’s like what Art McRory said about Frank McGuigan – you couldn’t give him a bad pass.

"Donaghy is a great team player – great hands, great vision – and the most extraordinary thing to come into Gaelic football since Bomber Liston. Kerry will suffer without him because Colm Cooper is markable. Physically he’s markable, and you can double-team him, as Tyrone do.

"You can’t mark Donaghy. If he’s ruled out for the rest of the season then there is no chance of Kerry winning an All-Ireland. He changes the whole dynamic – they don’t have to run the ball through, they can put it over a packed defence and into him.

"That was their problem last year. Tommy Walsh came in and had an impact for them in the championship, which they didn’t expect, and they were left wondering what to do with Donaghy, Walsh and Cooper.

"They brought Cooper out as a play-maker behind the centre-forward, which was a disaster because he couldn’t get scores, and Walsh was getting in Donaghy’s road.

“Walsh isn’t a good playmaker because it takes him too long to think; Donaghy is very good because he’s a quick thinker, the ball’s there and it’s gone. Cooper should have played off Donaghy, not Walsh.”

Brolly, however, admires Cork’s forward line. He said: "Cork have cohesion up front – I have some doubts about James Masters at full-forward but he’s good at that new role laying the ball off, there are enough hard runners around him, and I like the look of Daniel Goulding, particularly as he takes points off his left on the left-hand side – he’s coming into his confidence but could have gone for goal once or twice in the last game.

“There’s more in Donncha O’Connor. My question is where he has the fighting spirit, and he’ll need that if he ends up marking Conor Gormley. There’s massive focus on him and all that will hold him back is if he lacks that, though that’s an ‘if’.”

Brolly sees Cork’s fitness and power as crucial advantages. "Short of a revitalised Kerry, or Tyrone, I don’t think there’s a team which can beat Cork, particularly the way they’re going. People have expressed concerns about playing so well in June, but they have good foot and handpassing skills, their fitness is good.

“I’d like one of their full-forwards become a leader, but that might well come. If your midfield-half-back and half-forwards are 6’2” to 6’6", 16 stone and they’re all coming at speed and in numbers, that’s irresistible. All that can hold you back after that is finishing.

“And they have strength in depth. Fintan Goold, for instance, was able to come on for Nicholas Murphy. And where in the country would you get anyone like Anthony Lynch, a warrior and a Gaeilgeoir? If my daughter said she was going to marry him I’d go down on my knees and thank the Lord. No dowry would be too large for the Lynch family.”

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brolly-kerry-in-terminal-decline-95280.html#ixzz0Jzx9A9TU&C

Lynch is a hero.

Brolly is a wind up merchant though, and i’d be taking some of what he says with a pinch of salt. I think Kerry are in trouble, but they are never finished.
I totally agree on Walsh and Donaghy. Tommy Walsh is “The” most over rated footballer in the country, and is a midfielder, nothing else. And Donaghy is what really makes Kerry tick.
He’s on the ball with Cork as well, we need Colm O’ Neill at No. 14, he’s the leader.

[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Lynch is a hero.

Brolly is a wind up merchant though, and i’d be taking some of what he says with a pinch of salt. I think Kerry are in trouble, but they are never finished.
I totally agree on Walsh and Donaghy. Tommy Walsh is “The” most over rated footballer in the country, and is a midfielder, nothing else. And Donaghy is what really makes Kerry tick.
He’s on the ball with Cork as well, we need Colm O’ Neill at No. 14, he’s the leader.[/QUOTE]

Unlucky Sunday

Brolly may be a wind up, but there’s a lot of sense talked in that once you get into it. Its actually a decent article and he has Kerry down pat to be fair to him. I’d agree, they’re definitely not finished, they’re a different side with Donaghy in it. They should stick him at midfield and bukld their team around him.

Going putting some money on tonight. Both Back to Lay propositions that I think the bookies have way way way overpriced them.

Mayo 20/1 - ran Tyrone to a point last year. Fancy them to beat Galway and the odds will collapse if they do. They have the makings of a good team. Dublin have beaten nothing better than Roscommon so far but are 11/2.

Donegal 150/1

Ok this is a long shot but some team comes through the qualifiers every year. The first game is the most important and they have a penalty kick - Carlow at home. If they got on a run the odds would tumble. I could see them doing well at Croke Park if they got their act together.

[quote=“KIB man”]Going putting some money on tonight. Both Back to Lay propositions that I think the bookies have way way way overpriced them.

Mayo 20/1 - ran Tyrone to a point last year. Fancy them to beat Galway and the odds will collapse if they do. They have the makings of a good team. Dublin have beaten nothing better than Roscommon so far but are 11/2.

Donegal 150/1

Ok this is a long shot but some team comes through the qualifiers every year. The first game is the most important and they have a penalty kick - Carlow at home. If they got on a run the odds would tumble. I could see them doing well at Croke Park if they got their act together.[/QUOTE]

Thats where your Donegal bet will fall down. Too much shite going on up there since the managerial scramble over the close season. They’re ready to knife each other.

Mayo might be a decent outside bet depending on the draw, they’ll give you a decent ride.

[quote=“myboyblue”]Thats where your Donegal bet will fall down. Too much shite going on up there since the managerial scramble over the close season. They’re ready to knife each other.

Mayo might be a decent outside bet depending on the draw, they’ll give you a decent ride.[/QUOTE]

I’d say Derry have more internal turmoil though. Armagh arent a Croke Park team and Monaghan have missed the boat.

Its value at 150/1 anyway.

150/1 is huge odds, worth an outside punt. However its not Derry and Armagh Donegal will need to be worried about.

After they beat Carlow, they might get Clare, Laois or some other whipping boys. Bit of confidence and they could take a Kerry scalp. Kerry will be extremely vunerable in the first couple of qualifier games imo. Not sure if they have the heart for the hard road anymore but a couple of wins could change things.

Donegal wont take a big scalp. They’ll need to see Mayo take one or two, and Cork to take another, Galway to snatch one also and Laois to take a few. Then perhaps you might have a chance if they could get a side like Mayo in an All Ireland final.

Galway have called Nickey Joyce back into the squad, fair climbdown from Sammon…

Good lord you really are talking some shite lately. :clap:

Cork have already beaten Kerry.

My sources in Ruislip tell me he played the first round game drunk or extremely hungover, was fucked anyway and made a complete show of himself. Bit of a strange fish that lad by all accounts

They need him tho so a one game suspension/warning is probably sufficient. Apology from the player and the manager gives him a last chance. Might work out well actually for them.

[quote=“KIB man”]Good lord you really are talking some shite lately. :clap:

Cork have already beaten Kerry.[/QUOTE]

Good for them. Kerry are still in it you know…

[quote=“KIB man”]My sources in Ruislip tell me he played the first round game drunk or extremely hungover, was fucked anyway and made a complete show of himself. Bit of a strange fish that lad by all accounts

They need him tho so a one game suspension/warning is probably sufficient. Apology from the player and the manager gives him a last chance. Might work out well actually for them.[/QUOTE]

Not too far off the mark there.
Was only ever a slap on the wrist or a kick up the hole for the lad to sort his priorities out. I’d say his cousin had a gentle word in his ear as well. Its a boost for Galway as we cant be relying on the likes of Breathnach, Dunleavey or the mighty JoJo Greany all year long!

[quote=“Lazarus”]Not too far off the mark there.
Was only ever a slap on the wrist or a kick up the hole for the lad to sort his priorities out. I’d say his cousin had a gentle word in his ear as well. Its a boost for Galway as we cant be relying on the likes of Breathnach, Dunleavey or the mighty JoJo Greany all year long![/QUOTE]

Think Breathnach and Dunleavy are injured too although I think they are both very average anyway.

He’s been booted of the panel before though and didnt learn.

Down are over this weekend. Used drink a bit with a few of them in America. Lunatics

Didnt suggest that they were out of it…:smiley:

:clap::smiley:

Just notice you’ve edited your original post. Unless my eyes are deceiving me.