[quote=“farmerinthecity”]What’s the problem?
The fact that the back door does not allow a second chance to provincial winners is a major flaw in the system.
They are the only group of teams to which no scecond chance applies which is unfair.[/QUOTE]
Sure why stop there? Give the teams that lose the All Ireland semi and final a second chance too if they havent lost already :rolleyes:
[quote=“farmerinthecity”]What’s the problem?
The fact that the back door does not allow a second chance to provincial winners is a major flaw in the system.
They are the only group of teams to which no scecond chance applies which is unfair.[/QUOTE]
He read it wrong Farmer, leave him be.
Yet still won’t acknowledge it. Possibly the biggest ‘I’m right, I’m right’ freak on any forum I’ve ever browsed. :rolleyes:
Not sure that statement was funny. But it did remind me of your comments on Aaron Lennon.
All it needs now if for Rock to pop up a joke on someone who died on the roads last night and everything will be fine again.
You mong.
That would be a third chance for many of the teams.
The essential premise of the back door is a second chance for counties. The fact that it doesn’t give some counties a second chance is a major flaw in it.
[quote=“KIB man”]Not sure that statement was funny. But it did remind me of your comments on Aaron Lennon.
All it needs now if for Rock to pop up a joke on someone who died on the roads last night and everything will be fine again.[/QUOTE]
Chin up pal, you got it badly wrong - move on.
[quote=“farmerinthecity”]You mong.
That would be a third chance for many of the teams.
The essential premise of the back door is a second chance for counties. The fact that it doesn’t give some counties a second chance is a major flaw in it.[/QUOTE]
If they havent lost already ergo they havent lost already ergo their first defeat would be their first defeat ergo the next game would be there second chance.
The essential premise of the back door is that counties who have lost early on are given a second chance. Obviously this stops at the quarter final stage or someone like Kerry could win all their games en route to a final, lose the final and get a rematch based on the fact that they ‘deserved’ a second chance.
BUFOON
[quote=“KIB man”] Obviously this stops at the quarter final stage or someone like Kerry could win all their games en route to a final, lose the final and get a rematch based on the fact that they ‘deserved’ a second chance.
BUFOON[/QUOTE]
Who says it stops here?
Why should provincial winners be the only group of teams that don’t get a second chance?
It may not be possible to incorporate such a system into the back door and is hence a flaw in the system, which is what I alluded to in the first place.
[quote=“farmerinthecity”]Who says it stops here?
Why should provincial winners be the only group of teams that don’t get a second chance?
It may not be possible to incorporate such a system into the back door and is hence a flaw in the system, which is what I alluded to in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Cos…someone like Kerry could win all their games en route to a final, lose the final and get a rematch based on the fact that they ‘deserved’ a second chance.
The only equitable solution is to scrap the provincial system - 5 teams in one province, 11 teams in another = Crazy and have a divisional based league championship. But even in that scenario someone like Kerry could win all the group games and lose in the knockouts to a team who had lost previously.
[quote=“KIB man”]Cos…someone like Kerry could win all their games en route to a final, lose the final and get a rematch based on the fact that they ‘deserved’ a second chance.
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That’s not a reason to stop the provincial winners from being the only group of teams not to get a second a chance though.
[quote=“KIB man”]Cos…someone like Kerry could win all their games en route to a final, lose the final and get a rematch based on the fact that they ‘deserved’ a second chance.
The only equitable solution is to scrap the provincial system - 5 teams in one province, 11 teams in another = Crazy and have a divisional based league championship. But even in that scenario someone like Kerry could win all the group games and lose in the knockouts to a team who had lost previously.[/QUOTE]
Jesus.
KIB wants to give Kerry 2 chances to win All-Ireland finals. I know you don’t like Cork people, but thats just cruel.
You prick.:mad:
Calling someone a buffoon and mis-spelling it…:mad:
Eugen McGee goes for Tyrone to win back-to-back All Ireland’s
Who’ll win the All-Ireland this year? That’s as reliable a way to start off a GAA discussion in an office, farm, pub or church at this time of year as the first arrival of the cuckoo.
The arrival of the RTE and TV3 live GAA schedules last week completed the reawakening.
The very phrase itself might indicate that winning the All-Ireland is the focal point for most people’s GAA activity, but that is not really the case at all because the vast majority of county teams have not the slightest chance of winning the Sam Maguire Cup. But, thankfully, there are many other aspects of the upcoming championship that will attract massive interest in various parts of the country.
The biggest attraction for even semi-dormant followers, and maybe even players of the same ilk, is the arrival of a long-standing local derby match between neighbouring counties which is the surest way of rousing passions among counties who have no realistic chance of winning anything major.
focus
This year we have Kildare playing Offaly on May 24 in Portlaosie; Leitrim against Roscommon in Carrick-on-Shannon on May 31; Tyrone v Armagh in Omagh on May 17; and Dublin v Meath on June 7. In these matches, the focus for players and fans is solely on the game in hand, not the future.
Maybe Mickey Harte is an exception because clearly he wants to lose the unenviable tag attached to Tyrone – that they won three All-Ireland in recent years but failed to defend the title each time. So it would be surprising if Harte has not already planned out his 2009 campaign, be it through the provincial system or the qualifiers.
Leitrim, Roscommon, Kildare or Offaly do not have that luxury because the name of the game with them is first-round survival. Football form goes out the window in local derbies, but the presence of Tom Cribben – with his Kildare connections as Offaly manager – adds a bit of extra spice, too.
Leitrim would have beaten Roscommon several times in the past but for the presence of Tony McManus. There’s no McManus in Roscommon now and the main focus will centre on Leitrim’s twin gurus Mickey Moran and John Morrison.
After Sligo hammered Leitrim in the league, Morrison was quoted as saying: “There are three ways a team can play: careful, carefree or careless.” What will it be this time?
I expect Dublin to hang onto their Leinster title because of the extra benefits they get from over 50,000 backing them in Croke Park – if the recession does not bite into that enthusiasm this year.
Mayo may have the better selection of players specifically to counter the main men in Galway, such as Padraig Joyce and Michael Meehan, and the necessity to keep winning at all costs will probably see Kerry beat Cork if they meet this year.
In Ulster, who knows? If Tyrone really want to win Ulster they will probably do so, but if their plans are geared to September, then surely Derry’s dismal Ulster record will change. I expect Tyrone or Kerry to win the ‘Big One’ and it seems likely they will meet at the semi-finals stage.
Kerry have the better selection of players without having the perfect team yet, ie their full-back line and midfield. But Tyrone have shown they are masters of the technique of winning the big games that matter, as was proven in the final quarter of the 2008 final. That quality is their greatest asset and so far Kerry have failed to pass that test vis-a-vis Tyrone.
is the backdoor not to make sure a team gets more than one game in the summer as opposed to a second chance?..
WHATEVER about the economic outlook, Leinster’s football figures are not encouraging. But then they haven’t been for some time and are showing few signs of improving as the first decade of the new Millennium gallops towards the finish line
First, some grim facts which will sadden the hearts of the Leinster community as they prepare for the launch of the championship when Carlow play Louth in Parnell Park next Sunday:
1 If a Leinster team fails to win the All-Ireland title this year, it will be the first time since the 1930s that they have gone a full decade without a visit from Sam Maguire.
2 It’s 10 years since Leinster last won the title, when Graham Geraghty captained Meath to glory in 1999.
3 Leinster haven’t been represented in the All-Ireland final since Meath played Galway in 2001. Even then, Meath were beaten by nine points, the highest losing margin since 1979.
4 Dublin, by far Leinster’s most successful county, haven’t won the All-Ireland title for 14 years, their longest gap since the barren run between 1942 and 1958. They haven’t even been in a final for 14 years, the longest absence in their championship history.
5 Leinster have never gone eight years without having a team in the All-Ireland senior final, but will reach that unfortunate milestone if they are not represented in Croke Park on September 20 next.
Leinster folk may regard all those dismal realities as part of a past which is irrelevant this year but there’s more. It’s comes in the form of an analysis of how Leinster counties compared with the rest of the country in the recent National League.
Leinster had their Division 1 quota cut to one after Westmeath failed to take a single point from seven games, leaving Dublin as their only representatives in the top flight. Wexford dropped from Division 2 after taking just one of a possible 14 points, while Laois were only two places above them, having finished their campaign with a 20-point drubbing by Monaghan.
Longford dropped out of Division 3, which leaves Leinster’s break-up for the 2010 league as follows: Division 1: One (Dublin); Division 2: Four (Kildare, Westmeath, Laois, Meath); Division 3: Three (Wexford, Offaly, Louth); Division 4: Four (Longford, Carlow, Wicklow, Kilkenny)
And if all that wasn’t bad enough, Leinster had a miserable return in their clashes against teams from the other three provinces, winning only 13 of 60 games (see table).
Connacht had six more wins from almost half as many games; Ulster had twice as many from five fewer games while Munster comfortably topped the table in a season where they captured the Division 1, 2 and 3 titles. Given those figures, it’s hardly surprising that Leinster teams failed to qualify for any of the finals
League form has tended to be treated sceptically as a guide to the championship, but those figures are still a damning indictment of Leinster football. Dublin only scrambled clear of relegation trouble on the final day – indeed, if Donegal had beaten Derry on the same afternoon, Leinster would have had nobody in the top group next year.
Kildare were really the only Leinster team to show consistent form in this year’s league, but were squeezed out by Monaghan and Cork as they pressed to escape from Division 2.
And yet for all the gloom which Leinster’s figures indicate, there’s a feeling in the province that the scene could change dramatically at any time. Having previously beaten Down, Wexford were much too good for Ulster champions Armagh in last year’s All-Ireland quarter-final, while Kildare beat Cavan, Limerick and Fermanagh before losing by three points to Cork in their quarter-final
Which brings us to Dublin. They have the best provincial record of any county over the past four seasons, having remained unbeaten in 14 successive games, but have been unable to build on that with any degree of consistency once encountering ‘outside’ opposition. That suggests that they lose confidence when confronted with the ‘big boys’ or else – and this is more likely – Leinster is so mediocre that dominating it has been relatively easy.
Very often, there’s an over-reaction to Dublin games because they’re played in front of huge crowds. A full Croke Park generates a great atmosphere which, in turn, can create the impression of a superior standard when, in reality, it’s quite modest. That’s the only plausible explanation for what has happened to Dublin in All-Ireland quarter-finals and semi-finals over recent seasons
Only Kerry have qualified for more quarter-finals than Dublin since the introduction of the new format in 2001, but whereas the Kingdom have reached six finals – winning three from eight attempts, Dublin haven’t qualified for a single final despite reaching the last eight on no fewer than seven occasions.
qualifiers
They will set out in four weeks’ time under Pat Gilroy, their fourth manager this decade, with some Dublin fans believing they would be better off to lose to Meath in the first round and head for the qualifiers, a route which Tyrone have used effectively.
However, Mickey Harte is the first to acknowledge that he would take the direct provincial route every time if circumstances didn’t dictate differently
The same should apply to every county because once you have the safety net removed, it can be a long drop to oblivion. So then, Leinster have one more summer to rescue the decade from being a total wipe-out. The omens don’t look good, but then just as periods of dominance always appear as if they will go on forever, barren spells never seem to have exit routes. They do though.
Whether this is a green shoots year for Leinster remains to be seen, but one thing is certain – the province sure needs it. After all, they can’t keep relying on Kilkenny hurlers indefinitely. Then again, maybe they can.
NFL 2009
Leinster in the basement:
Table shows how counties from each province fared against opposition from the other three provinces. Leinster teams have by far the worst record.
P W D L
Munster 40 27 3 10
Connacht 33 19 5 9
Ulster 55 26 7 22
Leinster 60 13 7 40
Leinster football is gone to the dogs, truly is. Laois will do fook all this year.
Whats wrong there MBB, they should have good players, ye have still been decent in recent years at underage.
Too far gone up their own holes, cant be told or taught anything. Bad attitudes, simple as that. Not hungry enough for it. Needs another Micko to come and take them on, but thats not going to happen I’d say.
leinster is the most urban of all provinces
rural sports are less popular in urban areas