The Celtic Phoenix - A thread to list the economic miracles of Michael Noonan & Fine Gael


How much of that growth was on the BBC?


State likely to get €233m on dividends from AIB, which has reported a pre-tax profit of €1.6bn.

Facking rollin in it


Passed by an office block earlier that is home to one of the country’s largest construction companies. A 181 Porsche Panemara and a 172 Tesla Model S parked out front. Great to see.


Probably PCP financed.


Those ballsy guys deserve ever bit of good fortune that comes their way


Theyre selling angel dust?


Probably a couple of teachers expecting Richard Bruton to back pay their claims for the last six years


No BIK on the Tesla?

Win win


Interesting quote in the Examiner this morning about the growing pressure on the Gov from teachers re: new entrants pay:

“However, Mr Donohoe and his department are insistant that there can be no revision of the national pay deal that was signed last year.

“The unions had the chance to make new entrants pay a core demand last year, they didn’t. They had the choice to fix that issue, they didn’t. It is a bit rich for them to be squealing about it now,” said one senior Government figure. “

Have the unions hung out their younger members/prospective members twice in ten years?


An shower of fucking whingers.

Starting to vote with their feet now all the same.


Have the union responded mate? Let’s hear both sides before rushing to judgement


Are you expecting them to admit it?

It has a ring of plausibility to it imho. The real-politik of the situation was that there was only ever going to be so much money for public service pay increases, the union and gov both knew this. The union likely prioritised their long-standing members (and ones with the ear of the union leadership) rather than negotiating that the money go to equalising the situation for new members.

It’s crocodile tears that the union leaders shed …


No, all I’m saying is that you should listen to their side before making your mind up,I think that’s reasonable, I hate to say this and I type this with a heavy heart but I feel that you already have your mind made up on this issue and nothing the unions could say could convince you otherwise.

For me, that’s a bad place to be and maybe you should be more open minded


I’d have decent knowledge of the teachers’ unions. They’re dominated by older teachers. In many instances the people running the local branches are often retired teachers and a lot of branches now operate like social clubs for older and retired teachers. Interest and involvement from younger teachers is at an all time low.

That’s because the younger teacher would mostly agree with the perception that they’ve been sold out twice. The younger teachers think that the unions have been mostly focused on issues affecting older teachers rather than the glaring issues affecting them. The young ones are unhappy and feel voiceless, the membership generally has been very unhappy. When the unions don’t agree with the government they say they need to be realistic and when they do reach an agreement they say it’s a sell-out to certain sectors of the membership.

One perspective of the strike threat is that it’s a change of power in the unions. To me, it seems they’re entitled to renegotiate a past agreement if they want. I thought that Bruton himself said that the complaints of the younger teachers are reasonable. Now he seems to be saying “reasonable or not, tough shit, you agreed to it and you’re stuck with it.”


What have future generations even done for us ??


The younger teachers should set up their own union.


The Gardai tried that, was shut down fairly quick.


Every union is like that, dominated by one particular group with their own agenda.


Problem is most younger teachers are of the generation that expect everything handed to them. They are not active in local branch, many are not even members of the union (but not shy about asking for help on work related matters when it suits them). I say this as a ex school steward who held this position for many years.


From reading some of the reports over the last few days too, the main issue seems to be permanent posts rather than the actual salary that they are at. There was quite a few articles along the lines of “How am I expected to survive on €10k/year” or “I need a second job to support my teaching salary” but when you read the detail it was because they were on hourly rates and only getting a couple of hours a week. At the same time theres a potential teacher shortage according to the unions too? Surely that doesn’t stack up - either there are enough people for the jobs i.e. it’s difficult to get a full-time position or there’s not enough people for the jobs in which case you’d expect more full-time posts than candidates willing to fill them?