The Glorious 12th of July

How many rugby clubs in Ireland outside of Limerick are situated in and/or made up of mainly working class people?

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That limerick thing is a complete myth. The Rugby crowd are all middle class here as well

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It isnā€™t a complete myth but it is heavily embellished

Iā€™m mindful of the fact posts such as this are straying from the topic of the sectarian nature of orangeism and most of Loyalism and much of Unionism in general

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There used to be a lot of truth in it but not anymore really.

You seem to imply that because they went to state schools they canā€™t be good at rugby? I would suggest otherwise.

If you believe anyone who highlights inequality has a chip on their shoulder than maybe itā€™s yourself that needs to take a look at themselves.

Marching down a road doing nothing? Is that really all you think the Orange Order and all affiliated with it represent when they march? Itā€™s an inherently bigoted and sectarian organization that for over 200 years has terrorized the nationalist community and the purpose of any of their marches is to propagate protestant superiority ā€¦

You love highlighting one off specific instances or events - like they stand alone in historyā€¦ Yes, the GAA has been guilty of plenty in the past, and still has things to correct but it has come an awful long way down south in the last 20 years - because it reflects wider society. In the same way that the GAA reflected and responded to wider society up north over the last 30 -40 years - which has been pretty fucked up.

The state isnt even 100 years old - but it was born out of the same nationalistic furore that swept across Europe at the latter end of the 19th century leading to ww1- The GAA was one result of this in Ireland - rightly or wrongly the visionaries of the Irish state looked inwards - and particularly backwards in time, and due to the effects of colonization felt all anglo culture had to be challenged and eradicated ā€¦ itā€™s gas that you point the finger at the GAA for this when the British had been doing it to Irish culture for over 300 years - but thatā€™s ok - that was just civilizing the auld Micks I suppose.

We then got a strict catholic hierarchy running every aspect of the country between then and the 90s - from when Ireland began to modernize and slowly move away from old prejudices - not completely tho. But look at the difference in the GAA in the South now compared to the north - there was no British soldiers on the streets down south - stopping kids with GAA gear bags, no gerrymandering, no Orange marches, no internment, no shoot to killā€¦ Thereā€™s no perfect organization but like the rest of Irish society, the GAA has come on leaps and bounds in recent times and as the older stock are replaced, many of whom are still married to older values , it will modernize even further ā€¦

Itā€™s hard to tell how much you are wumming and how much you are being serious here - but a large amount of the toxic republicanism you take umbrage with is a result of years of being treated like a dog - and as long as you have an institution akin to the KKK marching around the north professing 18th century ideals of superiority, then youā€™re going to get a reaction.

If the GAA has, and in some quarters still needs to, modernize - you can surely agree that the OO also needs to ā€” but it wont ā€¦ loyalists see any kind of compromise as defeat because thatā€™s their whole identity - being right and being superior ā€” marches in the republic and on the border have shown that that these events dont have to be contentious and with a few more tweaks can even become inclusive - but thereā€™s no appetite for that in the same way the GAA has shown courage to change over the last 20 or so years.

It always warms my heart to see the protestant kids in St. Lukes, Douglas, Cork, going around in GAA jerseys ā€¦

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Ah you still have Thomond and Young Munster - their base would be largely working class - lower middle class ā€¦ it was always embellished but there is a grain of truth to itā€¦ In comparison, in Cork itā€™s very much the well to do game.

And the protestants in Adare really embraced the game.

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Could the GAA do more to help cross the divide? Yes. Is it at least trying? Yes. Is it improving? Slowly but itā€™s getting there.

The orange order is comprised of a load of bigots with no interest in accommodating anyone elseā€™s beliefs. They are a racist organisation with straight white protestant male ascendancy as their core belief. If anything they are even more bigoted in their views than the KKK.
The sad bastards are desperately trying to cling on to a Union that doesnā€™t even want them.

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Geoff is wumming and doesnā€™t really mind if he has to side with a few serial killers to do it. The perfect image of OO values.

Tim hates that most Irish people support the War of Independence and is taking it out on the GGA.

TSG hates the GGA, rugby, the NI soccer team and anything that isnā€™t SRFC. He has divided loyalties.

Tallback just hates Mike Hunt

Choco just hates hatred.

Julio hates Tipp.

Cicero_Dandi hates huns.

Sidney hates that Labane wonā€™t jump in here.

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I think every institution on the island could do more cross community initiatives.

Agreed, the GAA is probably well ahead of most on that front to be fair to them

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Iā€™m attending this tomorrow live in person.

Sligo must be very quiet :see_no_evil:

Three days is bucket loads in Sligo, weā€™re after tipping into Donegal for the rest of the week.

Did you get to blow da auld beans yet?

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What do you think?

Can you not read posts?

Can you not answer questions?

MUP!!!

:dembele:

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