The Joe Brolly tells porkies thread

[caoimhaoin]

Exactly. And they are necessary for S&C coaches.

That excert is a private individuals opinion from a few years ago.

[HBV]

The rastoolers are now defending the right of the northern nationialists to blow up a man in his car as he drives to work.
One of them @Sidney defended convicted paedophile Tom Humphrey and campaigned hard for his right to a reduced prison sentence, and he defended the Muslim Brotherhood who are primeval savages who segregate women and want to kill gay’s Christians and Jews.
It’s fascinating to watch.

[caoimhaoin]

Its absolutely unbelievable.

[Nembo_Kid]

You’re not getting it. They are not necessary. S&C is an unregulated field.

[Sidney]

A self-confessed serial rapist blatantly making things up about another poster as a result of his own inability to debate.

That’s something you can’t make up.

[Breaking_my_balls]

What? You want to rape Jews? Fuck sake that’s disgusting

[HBV]

Not at all. You fantasize about rape, about someone you don’t know raping his wife who you don’t know either. And you followed someone you didn’t know to Australia with the intent of eating her menstrual bleed. You admitted that here.
And you crusade for the worst type of fucker in humanity.
It’s really fascinating to watch.

[caoimhaoin]

Ok.
They are.

I’m the s&C coach who has worked at all levels.

You are a taxi base operator.

Lets leave it at that

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

All levels?

[Nembo_Kid]

They’re not.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

@caoimhaoin

More twisting.

S&C Coaches and Physios need to be quakified.

However EVERYBODY on a GAA pitch needs to be insured. Now the majority do by being a club member.

Anyone else needs their own insurance to cover them outside their own property of business. Now to get Insurance as an S&C Coach you need to show qualifications.

Same as a physio.

While i am sure people do not always follow this. It is illegal to call yourself s&C without insurance.

I know now S&C educators have pushed insuŕance companies to not accept anything less than a 2 year s&c qual be it a Masters or High cert.

I know DM called himself S&C, he was named on programmes as such and on hos website. And he is not.

Notwithstanding the mindless training he did. Legally he was on shaky ground.

People have got away with it to date, but someone soon is going to sue clubs or coaches. I know one club paid off one player last year. And that was with a qualified coach

So some of these cowboy coaches will have to be careful

S&C educators?

[Tim_Riggins]

@Sidney

How interesting now that you now think it’s fair to vilify a whole club based on evidence-free allegations that “certain guys I (Peadar Heffron) played with” were involved in the bombing.

Given that you so furiously defended Donald Trump supporters when I correctly stated that they engaged in racism and anti-semitism, on the basis that not all of them did, therefore one should not be allowed say “Trump supporters engage in racism and anti-semitism”.

He suspects that guys he played with did something. That is not the club. He didn’t mention the club. Please back that up subsantively.

Criticisim of the club for their actions towards him then and their actions in 2010, yes I can criticise, as objectively speaking there was clearly an issue there.

Your anology to the anti semitism with Trump thing is hilarious and completely all over the place. You were schooled on that one and are still hurting I note. Another example where your poor comprehension skills and susceptibility to jumping the gun on some hot take you read on Twitter gets you in a bind.

@Sidney

It does identify the club. The “certain guys I played with” are or were club members. It associates the club with these allegations. The whole article is written through the framework of identifying the club both with the bombing (check the headline, check the quotes I put up) and a contested story that Peadar Heffron was hounded out of the club.

I’m defending the club because they deserve to be defended in the face of an unfair vilification campaign.

That doesn’t identify the club. Again, he believes some of the people may have been involved in the club in passing details on. Again, that’s not the club, that is individuals. It was clearly people in his community that sold him out.

@Sidney

This is strongly contested. Are you contesting that opinion in the club was clearly mixed?

This is strongly contested by members of the club that are now desperately trying to defend their reputation. Why on earth would someone who grew up playing for that club make all that stuff up?

Why didn’t the club have a fundraiser after the attack?
Why did it take 7 years for them to condemn the attack when other parts of the GGA like in Tyrone could condemn the attack on Ronan Kerr.

@Sidney

Brolly has now conceded that it was an entirely legitimate opinion to not support somebody from the CNR community joining the PSNI two months after the RUC was disbanded. So that’s that one nailed on the head.

You do not have to support it, but you do not have to behave like it was still 1975.

These are the facts. In 1998, the principle of shared policing was announced. In 1999, the Patton Report was published. The British government enacted many of the recommendations by 2000. In 2001, one of the recommendations of the Patton Report that the GGA abolished Rule 21, was executed. Many of the Patton Reports recommendations were well down the track, including 50/50 policing. The SDLP fully supported policing by 2001.

There was then a campaign against this guy in the club. The club waited seven years to condemn the attack. The guy has said he thinks that some members of the club might have been involved, but he also mentioned those who came to sympathise with his parents. The larger point is that of the club. If the club wanted to, they could have made things right long before now.

To this day, Catholics are wary of joining the PSNI. There is a cultural issue within Nationalism, this club are right to be condemned for their behaviour.

@Sidney

In what way were the club supposed to “protect him”? Are they supposed to be able to change the minds of individuals who are members of a community?

“Targetted”? Targetted in what way? Targetted violently? Is this your own allegation or are you just repeating the allegation that was contained in the article?

The GGA has rules and regulations, which they have enforced over the years no problem.

There was no rule against members of the police or armed forces playing GGA by 2002. Handing out fliers and him being boycotted by teammaters was not on. The idea that the club couldn’t do anything is laughable. They didn’t want to, that reflects on them.

@Sidney

What community? The Creggan community? I think you’ll find that pretty much every single part of the CNR community in the six counties would have had a very similar mix of opinion to what was in the Creggan community in 2002.

And as Joe Brolly concedes, dissenting opinion as regards the PSNI was entirely legitimate.

Mix of opinion is one thing, treating someone like it was 1975 is not.

@Sidney

Many in the CNR community believed that the reforms of policing were a fig leaf and had not gone far enough. An entirely understandable opinion, given the history of the northern statelet. Quite obviously, any new police force would take years to build trust with the CNR community.

And many in Sinn Fein were not prepared to support policing because the Army Council were not ready to.

SF used policing ultimately as a way for them to get power, as everything took years to bring each one on. Slab Murphy wouldn’t get on board until Britain’s CAB backed off.

But today this attitude persists. Catholics are not joining the police at the rate they should. There is still an attitude that persists that joining the police is selling out to the British state. There is still a militant attitude and fear among Catholics to join, because of attitudes in their own community.

@Sidney

With words like that, is it any wonder people in the CNR community were suspicious of the new police force?

Sinn Fein didn’t vote to accept the PSNI until 2007.

Yet you and others here claim that anybody in the CNR community who didn’t support somebody from that community joining the PSNI was out of step.

Given that the largest CNR party at the time did not vote to accept the PSNI for another five years, that’s quite obviously nonsense.

That Antrim GAA, and five of the six counties voted against the dropping of Rule 21 is a good idea of where opinion lay. You don’t have to agree with opinion, just to accept it was a legitimate one.

By 2001, the largest Nationalist party in NI supported the policing reforms.

“Suspicions” of this police force was as much to do with hardline Provos putting pressure on the community as anything else. What SF signed up for in 2007 was not substantially different to 2002, they waited until it was the opportune time and some more hardliners were brought along.

Antrim GGA failing to support abolishing of Rule 21 goes to show that the excuses in here that it was okay not to support until all reforms went through are nonsense. This was one of the specific recommendations of the Patton Report. You can’t on the one hand moan about some reforms not happening and then not follow through yourselves. Again, this is like belittling the DUP for their current attitude to the Irish language. You either support what you signed up for or not, you don’t have to be happy about it. But you don’t have to go back decades with your attitudes towards it.

@Sidney

You and Joe Brolly say Peadar Heffron was no longer a club member. Since when is it required of a club to issue a statement about a terrorist attack that involves a non-member of a club?

Since when does a community organisation not support one of its own who has something terrible to them? This is just avoidance on your part, you know well that it is an awful look for them.

@Sidney

Ronan Kerr was a then current player for Beragh. Did Ronan Kerr’s own community or elements within the Beragh club set him up? I’m not making that allegation, just following the logic of those who claim that that’s what happened to Peadar Heffron.

It was mostly likely someone in his community, yes. They don’t just open the phone book and find Roman Catholic PSNI member beside it.

@Sidney

The GAA, as a 32 county organisation, moved on Rule 21 in 2001. That was accepted by Ulster GAA if if most of it didn’t vote for it. The GAA in the North is made up of ordinary members of the CNR community. The majority of the CNR community regarded the PSNI with deep suspicion when they were formed. Again, that was a legitimate opinion. You seem to have a serious problem comprehending that it takes time for the attitudes of the ordinary people on the ground to change and for trust to be built up with the new police force - the PSNI had to earn that trust given what went before, and that’s a long drawn out process. The GAA have reached out to the DUP and the Unionist community in general. Peter Robinson and a few others have reciprocated, to their credit. Much of the Unionist community and the majority of the DUP, has not.

That you’re comparing the GAA and the Orange Order shows a very basic lack of knowledge about the North of Ireland.

Can I ask you what you would like the GAA to do to “live up to the spirit of the Agreement”? And how have they have not?

The main nationalist party supported policing.

I already said the GGA as an organisation have followed through on the spirit of the 1998 agreement.

The comparison to the Orange Order was as a cultural institution.

@Sidney

You clearly haven’t read the articles. They unjustly vilify an entire club and community and allege club members’ involvement in attempted murder.

At least now you’ve switched from the “club” to “club members”, you’re catching on a bit to this.

I posted the original article in here pal, the Rastoolers like yourself wanted to avoid it.

The club are justifiably being pilloried. Just like the DUP and backward fucks like Gregory Campbell, they deserve flak. Again, Joe Brolly is an actual Northerner who has represented Republicans at trial. He is a GGA man. He can see the issue here, but we’re supposed to believe the likes of yourself know better. Joe Brolly is putting a mirror up to a section of the nationalist community there and asking them to be better, you’re making excuses for them.

[backinatracksuit]

Jesus wept,

[dodgy_keeper]

Some lads take the INTERNET way too seriously.

Book of Kells type responses to a fairly mundane disagreement.

[Breaking_my_balls]

Oh right, I thought we were all just making stuff up, my apologies, carry on sir

[caoimhaoin]

1. Loads of evidence the club exposed him.
   By isolating and ignoring they cometely exposed him. By not supporting him they told lical 'Ra men he had no support in the community.
   And yes, people would be able to stop the Ra entering a litch. And if they did so forcefully well then they’d be at worst a revolt against that and you would hope arrests, although silence seems likely too. Its about time ordinary peaceful catholics stood up now at this stage to scumbags who are largely just drug dealers and thugs.

2. The shit at training was unbelievably bad. School yard childish weak carry on and encouraged by the teachers. Collecting lotto means nothing. He was doing that off his own back. You can imagine the “poor crater” comments. He was waiting and hoping for change. Total red herring and the fact its even used shows a weakness of the defence of all this.

3. Members of the community though. If very small numbers and the Provos were strong why was this allowed happen. You know well there are “ok’s” and “not ok’s”.
   We would have to see names and family trees as outsiders to have a real idea. But the silence tells me alot.

4. They certainly have. Read otherstuff online and even back along here. There is a some obvious stuff and some clearl undercurrent of it.

I have taken a keen interest in this as the reaction by some has shocked me. I have asked clients or friends from various educated backgrounds to get their opinion based on what we have been presented with publically. Legally and morally where does responsibility lie. I will return with opinions. I know 1 Sociology Phd is willing to out her name to it. I’ll be back and keep an eye out on Social Media too

I have some insight into something similar in Cork from a well publicised murder last year.

The one good thing about this is it has exposed social media presence of some of the clowns on here. We’ll see do they have the balls for public debate

[Nembo_Kid]

@caoimhaoin

By isolating and ignoring they cometely exposed him. By not supporting him they told lical 'Ra men he had no support in the community.

It’s perfectly understandable people in his local community did not support him. You clearly haven’t the slightest notion about what the RUC did to nationalist communities or how they were viewed at that point in time. Absolutely none.

[backinatracksuit]

Are you heading into work today mate?

[Nembo_Kid]

I don’t think so, m8. My illness has not improved.

[Ambrose_McNulty]

Mind yourself mate. Ironic that a Home Economics teacher who’s off in a camper van for half the year is sneering at you for taking two sick days.