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c) does it really matter in relation to how people feel about the moral right or wrong of this specific case?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it was not a discriminatory attack/murder/abduction.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939368, member: 24â]From reading this, it points towards the interrogation of a suspected informant.
Why would they âinterrogate and tortureâ a 37 year old woman if she gave aid to a British soldier?[/QUOTE]
Yes, why would murderous psychos do something like that?
Surely thatâs obvious to any of us with half a brain but understandable too why the family would peddle it. The shit that was made of those kids lives in this specific case is surely beyond the pale no matter how horrible a war was going on? I would presume even the hardest of hardliners would admit that at this stage.
Yeah - thatâs what they were.
I mean it is usual for a large bunch of psychopaths to exist in a small 6 counties area in the North of Ireland.
Do you even know what a pyschopath is?
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939377, member: 24â]Yeah - thatâs what they were.
I mean it is usual for a large bunch of psychopaths to exist in a small 6 counties area in the North of Ireland.
Do you even know what a pyschopath is?[/QUOTE]
Oh my mistake. They were brave volunteers who bravely abducted a mother of 10 at gunpoint, then bravely tortured her and finally bravely executed her with a shot to the back of her head so she wpuldnt see the brave face of her brave executioners.
I note that you havent bravely voted in the poll either
War is horrible by its nature and due consideration is rarely given. It wasnât a discriminatory attack, her murder was sanctioned because she was a tout and she was even given added dispensation because she was a widow of 10 children but she continued to be an informant. She was made aware of the consequences of doing what she did, she obviously was not very concerned with what the impact these matters were having on her kids. Itâs not as if she was doing what she was doing what she was doing for any selfless reasons.
Ah I understand all that and certainly wouldnât be an art foley style condemner of the IRA. In every war in history both sides do things that are morally wrong though and this was surely one of the Provosâ. If it wasnât its hard to imagine what is. A widow surviving on the breadline with ten kids is almost like something youâd make up as an exaggeration for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=âartfoley, post: 939378, member: 179â]Oh my mistake. They were brave volunteers who bravely abducted a mother of 10 at gunpoint, then bravely tortured her and finally bravely executed her with a shot to the back of her head so she wpuldnt see the brave face of her brave executioners.
I note that you havent bravely voted in the poll either[/QUOTE]
Jesus - do you have to always see everything in black and white?
I never called them brave volunteers. I just pointed out that you calling them murderous psychos was factually wrong.
The Brits taking her on as an informer in her situation was also incredibly morally wrong by the way.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939383, member: 24â]Jesus - do you have to always see everything in black and white?
I never called them brave volunteers. I just pointed out that you calling them murderous psychos was factually wrong.[/QUOTE]
Its not factually wrong. They were murderous psychos. They murdered and showed psychopathic traits
I donât shed any sympathy for what happened to Jean McConville, itâs sad the way her children were affected by it but she brought it on herself. Kingsmill and Enniskillen were much bigger blots on the Provos moral rapsheet.
True, but her case is more easily used by the political opponents of Sinn Fein because they know with will garner more a public reaction. The majority of people donât know or care about the intricacies of what went on that time. They just see it as the âIRA took a woman and shot, isnât it terribleâ.
Jean McConville is Irelandâs Princess Diana.
What are âpsychopathic traitsâ?
You donât think it was wrong treaty?
Surely they could have done anything to avoid killing a woman in her situation. She was hardly some west Belfast rogue loyalist it was surely the unbelievable financial stress of being a working class widow with ten kids pushed her into the arms of the Brits. What level of informing could she have been doing anyway? Iâd say sheâd have been fairly busy with real life to be passing on much info of life or death value in fairness.
For me Kingsmill was the worst.
Blowing a load of innocent men to bits simply due to their religion can never even begin to be justified - no matter what the Loyalists were doing to Catholics in the area.
If the informer story is true, then I would look to the Brits who picked out a vulnerable woman in need of cash, gave her no protection and hung her out to dry. What did they think was going to happen to her if she was caught?
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939377, member: 24â]Yeah - thatâs what they were.
I mean it is usual for a large bunch of psychopaths to exist in a small 6 counties area in the North of Ireland.
Do you even know what a pyschopath is?[/QUOTE]
fuckin hellâŚare you seriously struggling to understand that there would be a lot of people with psychopathic traits on either side in what was a warzone??..
Well killing people for starters, lack of empathy
Thereâs a difference between personality traits and the environment that surrounds you.
Going by that logic there should have been around 20000 lenny murphys