The Killing of Jean McConville - Justified or Not?

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Apologies, Rocko, as you know, I’ve been busy this weekend.

Aside from Guildernew. Here’s a record of a letter of support from Fermanagh district council from the Indo.

[I]Which is why the letter of support sent by Fermanagh District Council earlier last week to Sean Quinn can be viewed, not just as inappropriate but also contemptuous of the laws of our Republic.

The motion was proposed by independent councillor Bernice Swift and seemingly passed unanimously by the other 22 councillors.

The majority of these Quinn supporters in Fermanagh District Council are, strangely, patriotic Sinn Fein members, many of whose colleagues sit in the parliament of the Irish Republic.[/I]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-feins-sly-shimmy-between-clan-loyalties-and-urban-politics-26885945.html

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Neither am I. I am surprised that he is perceived as that much if a political threat. I actually think that it will do his reputation more harm abroad than here. The headlines in the NYT and some of the other American papers were surprisingly harsh, though after that buffoon kenny was on the front of Time, you wonder if there isn’t some sort of agenda there either, largely based on corporate tax havens and repayment of bond holders.

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[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 940588, member: 53”]Apologies, Rocko, as you know, I’ve been busy this weekend.

Aside from Guildernew. Here’s a record of a letter of support from Fermanagh district council from the Indo.

[I]Which is why the letter of support sent by Fermanagh District Council earlier last week to Sean Quinn can be viewed, not just as inappropriate but also contemptuous of the laws of our Republic.

The motion was proposed by independent councillor Bernice Swift and seemingly passed unanimously by the other 22 councillors.

The majority of these Quinn supporters in Fermanagh District Council are, strangely, patriotic Sinn Fein members, many of whose colleagues sit in the parliament of the Irish Republic.[/I]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-feins-sly-shimmy-between-clan-loyalties-and-urban-politics-26885945.html[/QUOTE]

But the party don’t support Quinn. There are local people from all parties who support him and think he was hard done by. It’s not SF policy.

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@Rocko do you think the killing was justified?

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Doesn’t get much more official than voting on and passing a motion of support for him at a council meeting.
And they also have some unofficial support for him by your account. Thats a lot of support for him from sinn fein.

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Gerry Adams is the greatest Irish man in modern times.

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[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 940621, member: 53”]Doesn’t get much more official than voting on and passing a motion of support for him at a council meeting.
And they also have some unofficial support for him by your account. Thats a lot of support for him from sinn fein.[/QUOTE]

You’re quoting a Sunday Independent piece, with an obvious anti-SF bias as your record of this. A district council, comprising SF, SDLP, UUP and DUP and independent members passed a motion proposed by an independent member. Contrary to the article you have cited, the majority of members are not SF members. But even if they were you are confusing SF policy with the actions of some local councillors. The official SF stance is quite clear but if that continues to not suit your argument then just ignore that.

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@Rocko is seriously rattled here


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Seems SF policies on Quinn are partitionist
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even Sinn Fein MP Michelle Gildernew has come out to defend the family, telling this newspaper that what has happened to Mr. Quinn was “wrong”.

"He has been treated disgracefully by the Irish Government. Had they not tried to strip him off all his assets, including his home, deny him the ability to function in business, and routinely try to humiliate him I believe he would have paid back every penny he owed to the Irish taxpayer.

“He accepted he had done wrong, but all our attempts to make the government show some comment sense were ignored. He is being punished for having the audacity to 'buy the bank; and for being an ordinary man from Fermanagh who is hugely respected by his community,” she said.

However, Sinn Fein deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald took a different view on Tuesday night, saying money owed to the bank was money owed to the state.

“There are strong emotions in support of the Quinns,” she said.

"This is understandable, however, neither loyalty nor emotion can be allowed to get in the way of justice being done in the Quinn case or, indeed, any other that may arise.

"The matter is before the courts and that is where the final judgement will be made.

"The Quinns chose to put a lot into the public domain concerning their case, including the fact that company law was breached and that they have moved assets beyond the reach of IBRC.

"As the IBRC is now fully state-owned, money owed to it by the Quinns is money owed the state.

“The Quinns have an obligation to abide by the law the same as any other citizen. They also have an obligation to work with IBRC to repay what they owe.”

For many people in the border Sean Quinn is simply the man who brought jobs and prosperity.
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Wow, next we’ll have posts “enlightening” us on SF’s stance on the hunger strikes. There’s nothing news about the Quinn issue. Nor is it partitionist to have two people disagreeing on something.

This is from the Enda Kenny school of politics - if you can’t criticise SF about something current or topical then just drag up some irrelevancy from the past.

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[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 940647, member: 1”]Wow, next we’ll have posts “enlightening” us on SF’s stance on the hunger strikes. There’s nothing news about the Quinn issue. Nor is it partitionist to have two people disagreeing on something.

This is from the Enda Kenny school of politics - if you can’t criticise SF about something current or topical then just drag up some irrelevancy from the past.[/QUOTE]

an " irrelevancy" such as the kidnap , torture and murder of a woman of 10 children


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An irrelevancy such as Michelle Gildernew quotes on Sean Quinn or a Fermanagh District Council vote.

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This unfortunately is just a general aspect of the forelock tugging nature of Irish politics and society in general to anyone perceived to be rich. Quinn is a greedy self serving reckless gambler who is costing the individual Irish taxpayer money with every policy they are forced to take out. He should be in mount joy. The fact that a coalition council saw fit to back him is depressing. I don’t think it is political, just servile.

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No. You insisted it was only one person who had supported quinn. I showed you it was more. Supporting my assertion with council vote in Fermanagh is a matter of google fate. It is not irrelevantas it discounts your ‘it was only one person’.

You then suggested that these people were airing their own personal views.
If you express your view as an elected representative of Sinn Fein in the forum of you political job, that is official enough for me. If you’re voted onto a council for any party it’s your job to represent their views.

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Mary Lou is on the money, and shows a courage that most politicians lack in this country, or any other.

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Forgot about your Enda Kenny jibe. Nice effort to allign me with Blueshirt bullshit. Enda never uses facts, he just shouts ‘bankjob’ etc.

I reckon you’re a stage 4 if you’re carrying on with the Enda shit.

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Why havent @Rocko[/USER] and [USER=24]@farmerinthecity voted in the poll or answered the OP question?

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[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 940665, member: 53”]No. You insisted it was only one person who had supported quinn. I showed you it was more. Supporting my assertion with council vote in Fermanagh is a matter of google fate. It is not irrelevantas it discounts your ‘it was only one person’.

You then suggested that these people were airing their own personal views.
If you express your view as an elected representative of Sinn Fein in the forum of you political job, that is official enough for me. If you’re voted onto a council for any party it’s your job to represent their views.[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure why you’ve opted for quotation marks around, “it was only one person.” One might be forgiven for thinking this was a sneaky attempt to pretend that I used those words, or even the phrase “only one” in any context. I didn’t of course. You seem to have attributed some importance to the number of people mentioned, so let me clarify that for you.

You claimed Sinn FĂ©in were so supportive of Quinn. In terms of politicians with a national profile we’ve narrowed that down to one person. We’ve also seen that those comments were not supported, and indeed were openly contradicted, by official comments from SF leadership. A Sunday Independent article, which is (as usual) factually incorrect suggests that a council with a majority of SF members (remember, this isn’t actually true) is your evidence to suggest this is more widespread throughout SF. It’s clear that isn’t the case. I didn’t “insist” it was only one person. Nor did I say anything about personal views. But your manipulation of my comments doesn’t even make much of a convincing case against SF.

It’s easy to sit back and be critical of SF because of local politics in Cavan and Fermanagh. You could point the finger at similar examples from Labour politicians in Cavan (not Fermanagh unfortunately because Labour cowered behind the border of course) - see Caroline Forde as an example - or indeed every other party except the socialists.

And of course none of this has anything to do with Jean McConville.

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Mary Lou had no qualms about saying people sang dumb about another set of tape recordings - the Anglo tapes.

Sinn Fein’s play book is that anybody who queries Sinn Fein or their members is prejudiced or politically motivAted. They don’t seem to mind playing to the gallery when appearing at Public Accounts Committee and denying people due process, the right to know what questions will be asked or allegations made. Yet re Boston tapes she says they are worth nothing as two of the interviewees had fallen out with Adams.

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 940677, member: 2272”]Mary Lou had no qualms about saying people sang dumb about another set of tape recordings - the Anglo tapes.

Sinn Fein’s play book is that anybody who queries Sinn Fein or their members is prejudiced or politically motivAted. They don’t seem to mind playing to the gallery when appearing at Public Accounts Committee and denying people due process, the right to know what questions will be asked or allegations made. Yet re Boston tapes she says they are worth nothing as two of the interviewees had fallen out with Adams.[/QUOTE]

So the Boston College tapes equate to an Oireachtas Conmittee now. You’re seriously comparing compelling people to appear before an Oireachtas Committee, backed by statute, with the admissibility of mostly anonymous interviews given to academic researchers by a self-selecting sample group.