You might want to read back on this thread.
Pity jean mcconville didnt have the chance to sue her defamers, abductors, torturers and murderers
[QUOTE=âartfoley, post: 940751, member: 179â]You might want to read back on this thread.
Pity jean mcconville didnt have the chance to sue her defamers, abductors, torturers and murderers[/QUOTE]
Well seeing as she took the British shilling and touted she ainât around to do so.
[QUOTE=âartfoley, post: 940751, member: 179â]You might want to read back on this thread.
Pity jean mcconville didnt have the chance to sue her defamers, abductors, torturers and murderers[/QUOTE]
Is Jean blameless in all this? Acting as a spy and she a mother of ten, disgraceful disregard for her childer⌠Was it you that lambasted Peaches Geldof? saying she deserved to die for taking heroin while minding a child⌠Whatâs the difference here?
Link?
And youve nothing to prove that you cock munching barstooler
The Boston College Tapes.
I asked was it you? It is certainly something youâd say.
No it wasnt me.
They have zero evidential value
That joke was as flat as your forehead
Stick to dismissing the Boston College tapes and later clinging to them, if it suits. Stick to calling others out for hearsay and rumour and then relying on the same, if it suits. Youâre absolutely all over the place, just like your teeth.
[QUOTE=âartfoley, post: 940713, member: 179â]
They have zero evidential value[/QUOTE]
As does the âcaseâ against Gerry Adams.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 940695, member: 2272â]What is on those tapes raises questions. Letâs get Gerry Adams before the PAC to answer questions based on some remote tangential link to public funds.
Are you saying Adams should not have to answer questions and face investigation? He is innocent until proven guilty but throwing toys out of pram because he was interviewed by the police has damaged Sinn Fein. They are rattled. Due process applies to everybody and being morally outraged about being investigated undermines their credibility on other issues. I expect Sinn Fein will see this and over the next short time distance themselves from the armed struggle legacy members.[/QUOTE]
I didnât say anything that suggested Adams should not answer questions. Nor did Gerry Adams who was quite clear that he was happy to answer question. Which was why he volunteered to do so and why he went to the police station by voluntary appointment. Youâre jumping from argument to argument and losing the run of yourself. You likened this to the Garda whistleblowers. I donât believe thereâs any worthwhile comparison. Your post above isnât even close to being on the same topic. Itâs impossible to debate logically with you when you shift your argument completely from one post to the next.
Sinn Fein the IRA betrayed their communist/totalitarian leanings in âdisappearingâ people.
Like their colleagues in FARC and their Libyan benefactor Gadaffi.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 940779, member: 2272â]Sinn Fein the IRA betrayed their communist/totalitarian leanings in âdisappearingâ people.
Like their colleagues in FARC and their Libyan benefactor Gadaffi.[/QUOTE]
Are you Michael McDowell?
There was outrage in Sinn Fein that he was arrested and questioned.
There is a legitimate question to be answered. Shatter and Callinan questioned motives of whistleblowers to deflect attention. Sinn Fein have done the same. Question motives to deflect Attention.
None of this is a surprise as PR companies that work for political parties work from very similar manuals. Deflection. Sinn Fein have been damaged by this.
No.
[QUOTE=âJuhniallio, post: 940696, member: 53â]Hereâs what you said. Look back, itâs on page 10 on this thread.
âHow are Sinn FĂŠin so supportive? One local MP has defended him and not supported by the rest of the party.â[/QUOTE]
So your quote from me which read âit was only one personâ was a fabrication. I never said that. In fact I provided details on the composition of the Fermanagh District Council - something you didnât do, either because it didnât suit your argument or because you were blind to the fact that the Sindo have an orchestrated bias against SF.
[QUOTE=âJuhniallio, post: 940696, member: 53â]
You say one and make out that the rest of the party are of the opposite opinion. I think that is obvious that youâre making a point about it being ONLY one because you say the rest are different. I showed they are not by giving examples. You didnât like the proof and talked bollox about it being irrelevant. I only used it cos you asked for proof (how are they so supportiveâ?). It is relevant because it is proof of support by elected SF representatives in their official capacity. You then deviated into a different tack about official lines and ridiculously, national profile. As if being an elected representative of Sinn Fein is pointless unless youâre at the very top. You can disagree all you like about what you meant. Thatâs fine.
In other business.[/quote]
This is horseshit. We are debating the killing of McConville. For reasons best known to you, you think the stance of some SF politicians on Sean Quinn is relevant to the debate. There is nothing unique about SF in this regard. There are no parties in Ireland (other than the Socialist Party and other fringe parties who have no representation in Cavan or Fermanagh) who have a clean bill of health on this issue. All have had local representatives speaking in favour of Sean Quinn. I donât agree with their positions. Nor does the leadership of SF.
You even acknowledge that in your last post where you spoke about elected representatives having the job of representing the partyâs views. So you acknowledge that a party can have an opinion. And that opinion was quite clearly voiced by SF leadership and by SF representatives from every other constituency. That SF didnât come down harder on a rogue statement is caused more by their less rigid implementation of a party whip system than other mainstream parties. It doesnât mean that Gildernew represents the views of the party. I donât see why you would argue that when the party have gone out of their way to state otherwise.
You put inverted commas around a phrase and attributed a statement to me. Itâs not particularly relevant or interesting, but you misquoted what I said for effect and to change the substance of my point.
[QUOTE=âJuhniallio, post: 940696, member: 53â]No, it has nothing to do with Jean McConville. I think the thread had become more general. I said something and you asked for clarification on my post.
Iâm not trying to make a case against Sinn Fein, I like much of what they do and claim to be about and think itâs about time for us as a nation to find out if they can follow through on their policies and claims.
From the evidence available so far it looks like the PSNI were actively pursuing a charge based of IRA membership. Thereâs no rational explanation for that other than the work of members of the PSNI who are politically opposed to SF. I am well aware of SF chicanery in the past but Iâm not naive about British security forces either and their sustained campaigns to disrupt the peace process, to damage SF and to damage SF leadership in particular.
The stuff about SF being behind the intimidation of new owners of Quinnâs businesses is frankly ludicrous.
[QUOTE=âJuhniallio, post: 940696, member: 53â]My personal opinion on prosecuting people for the events of the troubles is similar to what you outlined earlier in the thread. There should be an amnesty and a truth and reconciliation commission.
And you enjoy yours. And thanks for the zoo tickets on Saturday. The Rocko clan had a wonderful time.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
How do Sinn Fein reconcile McGuinnessâ comments re PSNI with Sinn Fein view that Garda need same level of accountability to an independent ombudsman
"Nuala OâLoanâs office has 125 staff, none of which are members of the PSNI,
to deal with 5,000 officers. The Ombudsman Commission are only cleared for
81 staff to deal with nearly three times as many officers. Because of under
staffing the new commission will have to rely heavily on GardaĂ to carry out
the investigations for them which is just the same as the current situation
of the Gardai investigating themselves.
âThe Garda Ombudsman Commission does not have the power to insist on
disciplinary action being initiated against a Garda. Nuala OâLoan has this
power in respect to the PSNI. The Ombudsman Commission have no powers to
investigate retired officers, Nuala OâLoan does. These are issues which we
hope that amending legislation will be brought forward to resolve.â
Aengus Ă Snodaigh TD: 14 September, 2006
http://www.sinnfein.ie/gaelic/news/detail/15925
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 940789, member: 2272â]How do Sinn Fein reconcile McGuinnessâ comments re PSNI with Sinn Fein view that Garda need same level of accountability to an independent ombudsman
"Nuala OâLoanâs office has 125 staff, none of which are members of the PSNI,
to deal with 5,000 officers. The Ombudsman Commission are only cleared for
81 staff to deal with nearly three times as many officers. Because of under
staffing the new commission will have to rely heavily on GardaĂ to carry out
the investigations for them which is just the same as the current situation
of the Gardai investigating themselves.
âThe Garda Ombudsman Commission does not have the power to insist on
disciplinary action being initiated against a Garda. Nuala OâLoan has this
power in respect to the PSNI. The Ombudsman Commission have no powers to
investigate retired officers, Nuala OâLoan does. These are issues which we
hope that amending legislation will be brought forward to resolve.â
Aengus Ă Snodaigh TD: 14 September, 2006
http://www.sinnfein.ie/gaelic/news/detail/15925[/QUOTE]
Who knows - weâll have to wait until someone trawls the internet again to find another 8 year old statement on the topic.