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[quote=“therock67”]I look forward to doing the Old Trafford stadium tour one day and seeing the group stage finishes proudly on display in a cabinet somewhere. Wouldn’t mind getting my photo taken with your first place finish from last season. That would be awesome, and something Celtic fans can only dream about.

The only reason the head to head had nothing to do with finishing positions is because Celtic fielded a weakened team in Copenhagen. The head to head had ensured that Celtic had already qualified because a win for Benfica would have seen Celtic through at United’s expense (courtesy of that self-same head to head) while any other result would have seen Celtic and United through. Your statement that “head to head/home or away goals (…) don’t matter” is factually incorrect regrettably. You are however correct on the most shots/least corners part of your sentence.

It was a decent pass from Nani for Ronaldo’s goal but it was made simple by the pass from Ronaldo, his spin and run and the crooked alignment of the Pompey defence. McGeady’s pass required more vision and better execution.[/quote]

This shall be my last post on the issue but again you talk bollox. You have picked a part of a statement, out of context. The line says the league is won on a points basis. Fact. It then renders all head to head stuff useless. Maybe your beloved Sellick team didn’t realise this so they were shit at Copenhagen. United fielded a weakened team in Denmark too you know, although this happened in the fourth game of the group, when the Celtics were still panting hard to qualify.

Last night, Nani repeatedly releases Evra down the wing, made great runs himself all night and also had a fine one two with Ronaldo(first half) from which he let a shot go too far wide. I would say your begrudging attitude towards him comes from some bitterness that mcgeady is never afforded the ‘credit’ you think he deserves, and that this was the focus of a conversation between you and Bandage last night after which you entrenched yourselves Houghton style in a foolish position re Nani despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Now put that in your 4-pointsbehindateamyouthinkareshitina2horseraceleague-pipe and smoke it.

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[quote=“Juhniallio”]This shall be my last post on the issue but again you talk bollox. You have picked a part of a statement, out of context. The line says the league is won on a points basis. Fact. It then renders all head to head stuff useless. Maybe your beloved Sellick team didn’t realise this so they were shit at Copenhagen. United fielded a weakened team in Denmark too you know, although this happened in the fourth game of the group, when the Celtics were still panting hard to qualify.

Last night, Nani repeatedly releases Evra down the wing, made great runs himself all night and also had a fine one two with Ronaldo(first half) from which he let a shot go too far wide. I would say your begrudging attitude towards him comes from some bitterness that mcgeady is never afforded the ‘credit’ you think he deserves, and that this was the focus of a conversation between you and Bandage last night after which you entrenched yourselves Houghton style in a foolish position re Nani despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Now put that in your 4-pointsbehindateamyouthinkareshitina2horseraceleague-pipe and smoke it.[/quote]

Au contraire Juhniallio. Your statement read:

"The group is won on a league basis(most points gained), head to head/home or away goals/most shots/least corners against/least yellow cards don’t matter. "

No matter what the context that sentence is factually wrong and serves only to distort the true positions. Whether you make the rules or not is sadly irrelevant.

Celtic were plenty aware of how the seedings worked for the next round but the reality is, and will remain, that you have to beat the best teams to win the competition anyway. There’s little point in avoiding Milan in the last 16 if you’re going to be trounced by them later. It’s a strange kind of glory to be revelling in a latter (if more complete) humiliation.

Also you might remember United panting hard to qualify long after Celtic had secured qualification. Maybe not, but I can remind you of it if you wish.

Re Nani I have no begrudging attitude. I’m not saying he’s destined to be shite, I said he was shite last night. I’d be more worried about Rooney if I was a United fan - I think he’s been shite for quite a while and hasn’t lived up to anything like his potential so far.

Comparing Nani to McGeady is frankly ridiculous. You’d be better highlighting the similarities with Ronaldo. Players of the year in their respective leagues I’d imagine. And by a distance.

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I’m only returning to this thread as and when necessary. But I can exclusively reveal after much deliberation, frothing at the mouth and frenzied mathematical calculations that a league with 2 challengers out of 12 is in fact more competitive than another league where 3 challengers compete in a 20 twenty team league. That’s not opinion - it is mathematical fact.

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But there is 4 challengers Bandage. Liverpool. Its their year or so they say. http://www.thefreekick.com/board/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Regarding Rooney before he got injured in training around the start of november he was in sparkling form starting with the Roma home game and scoring in 6 games out of 7 and forcing Gallas to score an o.g. in the Arsenal game. He does a lot of work off the ball for the team and will run back 80 yards to win back possession which Ronaldo would not do. Once he stays injury free I think he will get back the form back.

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2 challengers vs 3 challengers. Thats the basis.

Also to try and use your 12 team vs 20 team maths is while mathematically true, has no basis in logic. You cant honestly expect anyone, at the start of a league, to even consider that, e.g Derby, has an equal chance of winning as any other team(except the other rejects). Thats why bookies have favourites and long shots (otherwise known as losers)

In closing, Scottish football is shit, English Football is great

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[quote=“Flano”]2 challengers vs 3 challengers. Thats the basis.

Also to try and use your 12 team vs 20 team maths is while mathematically true, has no basis in logic. You cant honestly expect anyone, at the start of a league, to even consider that, e.g Derby, has an equal chance of winning as any other team(except the other rejects). Thats why bookies have favourites and long shots (otherwise known as losers)

In closing, Scottish football is shit, English Football is great[/quote]

Funny how you mentioned logic at the start of that post Flano because it flies in the face of all reason and rationale.

The point is that there is the same percentage of also-rans in the EPL as there is in the SPL In both leagues you can narrow the winner down to 15/16% of the paricipants before the league has even started.

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If that’s the case then Celtic shouldn’t even bother showing up to play.

In fact all sport would cease to exist if teams/competitors wanted to avoid humiliation, why take the chance in the first place.

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Im a Vulcan

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The Angolan forward United signed [SIZE=2]Manucho is being loaned to [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Panathinaikos. He has helped Angola reach the Quarter Finals with 3 goals so Im hopeful United can get a work permit for him in the summer.[/SIZE]

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Team vs Spurs

GK: VDS

RB: Brown
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Evra

RM: Ronaldo
CM: Hargreaves
CM: Scholes
LM: Giggs

CF: Tevez
CF: Rooney

Subs: Tomaz, O’Shea, Anderson, Carrick, Nani

With Arsenal winning at the moment a win is necessary to stay on top. Spurs are going to go for it at home but Im hoping all the defensive signings they made will give Utd a chance to get at them and expose the inexperience of their back 4 as a unit.

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Boom bang kablammo

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A bit early isnt it Flano to be on the sauce.

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Berbatov scores and the stream goes straight after. It looked like Jenas handled on the ground. http://www.thefreekick.com/board/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

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Im not drinking Shan, stayed in last night too. Its fooking freezing.

How goes the match?

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Its 1.0 halftime. Hutton has Rooney in his pocket Im afraid. United are shit. A draw would be a good result at this stage.

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Spurs have really come on a lot since Ramos took over. It was never going to be an easy game unfortunately.

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What a finish at the end by Tevez. 94th minute equaliser. United are never out of it. http://www.thefreekick.com/board/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif;):wink:

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Ive calmed down after the fantastic end to the match. United were 2nd best and Spurs deserved the win by all accounts. Robbie Keane wasted a clear cut chance 1 on 1 with Eddie when Berbatov ripped the United defence apart. Fergie changed the original centre mid pairing of harg and scholsey to anderson and carrick. United only finally started to play better when Anderson came on. Made a real difference. Rooneys dive in the box was pitiful and now misses the Manchester Derby. United got 7 yellow cards which must be some kind of record for us.

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I read that people are trying to claim that the Tevez goal was an og. Ive looked it at countless times and cant see how.

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/MAN+UTD/video/x498vu_tevez-11-tottenham-v-man-utd_sport

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Definitely Tevez’s goal