Iirc, enda in opposition was heaping opprobrium on cowen and fianna fail for not spending enough. That seems to be forgotten
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That should finish him off.
We all partied mate.
We all are mistakes mate, obviously the ones that you and I make arenât as catastrophic but Jesus Christ thatâ paragraph is harsh on a man who never set out to hurt anybody
What is Cowens original background again law or accounting?
Pinting
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After day 2 of a wedding here, Iâm ripe for this thread myself this morning.
Kudos to the bride + groom, itâs good to get these things out of the way on a weekend when thereâs no championship cc @dodgy_keeper
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Brian did what 99% of us would do in his situation. Take the big job and hope it fixes itself. He made a balls of it and deserves criticism but hopefully he pulls through this.
There could be a few publicans funding his treatment if half the stories on here are true
Law graduate from UCD
No pivot at all. FF were corrupt as fuck from haughey on until they all ran away with pensions. A party built on corruption for 3 decades. You donât get to the top of that tree unless youâre in it. The fact that he was out golfing with the Anglo lads in the weeks before shovelling them billions (but apparently never spoke to them about it) of taxpayeyers money is incredible. What fella excludes all civil servants and makes sure no notes are kept on the biggest decision in the history of the state?
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He might have been a buffoon, but he had no intention to cause harm. He was going on false reporting on debts held by several financial institutions, and he wasnât the only one in the government who was hood winked and whoâs decision it was. Did you post here at the time? Were you on here the morning of the guarantee screaming it was a huge mistake? I doubt it. He was unlucky in a way, he was one of the main fall guys when it could have been anyone and as flatty correctly points out fine gael wanted more deregulation at that time, thats forgotten by most. Wishing death on a man who never meant any of those outcomes you list is fairly rotten. He was no great statesman, but who has been recently in ireland. I donât care what anyone else said to you, i donât follow any crowd on here. Stop projecting your own behavior
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Blah blah blah. I never said he did a good job, I think a lot of what he did was a disaster, particularly his years in Finance.
I just think itâs a bit distasteful to be saying him dying would be doing everyone a favour. Youâre not the âedgyâ type so it was surprising.
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Nobody could make an argument that Anglo and INBS were systemic. Anglo didnât even have ATMs. The dogs in the street knew there was dodginess in the banks so to say he was Hoodwinked is a crock of shite.
From 2005, when clowen was finance minister
You are a sick cunt for wanting him to die
Youâre probably right Tim. It maybe a little distasteful. And while Iâm not the âedgyâ type, I am entirely consistent in my views on FF. I think people are incredibly and bizarrely forgiving of them for the shitshow they brought down and their widespread corruption.
To be clear, Iâd have far more of an issue with FF at that time than Cowen in particular. I donât believe that he was corrupt but there was definitely a culture of it in the party.
You can say what you like about Haughey, but I still think, and I have no party allegiances, that he was the best leader in recent history. An outstanding politician, he had a taste for the finer things in life, but he was more instrumental in Irelands financial success than any other leader since the foundation of the state, other than the decision to open free schooling.
He was the driving force behind making Ireland the successful multinational tax haven that drives its immense wealth.
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Iâm not forgiving at all, just donât think it was necessary. Thatâs it really.
Trying hard here on a few angles.