The Official 2011 Club Championship Thread

Very tough for lads alright. Difficult to know what to do about it. A lot of lads will have senior club, U21 club, senior IC, U21 IC, and Fitz commitments. I’ve heard stories of some talented young lads in different colleges who are as good as finished from over training. Appetite killed stone dead and exhaustion starting to kick in. It’s a question of compromise really. Students at least have a degree of recovery time depending on their courses but on the whole it’s still a big problem. The training philosophy of the day plays a huge part.

As long as all these teams exist then managers will be needed who understand, not just empathise with, the situation these lads are in. It is manageable but not with managers who are working lads like dogs every night at every level. The colleges in particular have to realise where they are in the pecking order.

Ya, but from my experience, the players themselves put the Colleges up high, more so than the casual GAA person might. The 3rd level crowd running it are a very strong bunch now and quite uncompromising.

I thought guys were getting better, but the likes of Denis Walsh is making me wonder what the fuck is going on now, his treatment of a couple of young players in Cork leaves alot to be desired. Then you have this clown who is now seen as the Strength & Conditioning “Expert” for Cork GAA talking some awful bull shit (and not practicing what he preaches either) here. In those docs on that page there are many contradictions, too many to get into.

Some counties have it nailed, but some i fear don’t.

Do ye lads know anything of what Sparrow does with the Fitz lads?

HE spoke to the tribune about it in an article earlier on this year:

Winter bans, college competitions and demands on young players are creating a perfect storm of frustration for many as the new GAA year starts, write Ewan MacKenna and Enda McEvoy

Students of the game: DCU captain Paddy Andrews and teammates celebrate victory in last year’s Sigerson Cup [b]The Fitzgibbon Cup never impinged on Ger O’Loughlin as a Clare player. He knew that Seánie McMahon, Jamesie O’Connor and the Lohans had taken part in it. He was aware that they attributed much of their improvement as hurlers to their immersion in this most competitive and demanding of arenas. But that was where the Fitzgibbon began and ended for O’Loughlin. It was little more than a rumour. A competition for other lads, for younger lads. It had nothing to do with him.

The Fitzgibbon Cup impinges on Ger O’Loughlin as Clare manager. God, how it impinges. Want to know how many of the Clare panel are involved on the third-level front at the moment? He’ll tell you. Fourteen, split between NUIG, UCC and Limerick IT. The last-named institution took on Denis Walsh’s Cork team in Mallow in a challenge on Wednesday night and fielded no fewer than seven Clare men, among them James McInerney, Pat Donnellan and Conor Cooney. That’s half of O’Loughlin’s prospective championship defence there. What makes life even more difficult is that, far from dealing with a successful, experienced and inherently stable squad, he’s trying to construct a team for the future from a panel three-quarters comprised of players aged 22 or under.

Clare started back last Monday night. They trained again on Wednesday and Friday. Today they take on Wexford in a challenge match in Cashel. O’Loughlin would love to have had the college lads there this past week, working with them, helping groove them in his way of thinking. But he knows he couldn’t, he knows he has to be flexible and he knows too that saying “something must be done” will solve nothing.

“It was a real eye-opener for me though,” O’Loughlin admits. “I wasn’t that au fait with the third-level scene or with the importance that players put on it. You’re building for the league, you’ve only a seven-week window to get the work done and you want everyone on board. Yet the lads want to play with their college and in some cases, because of scholarships, are under pressure to play. If you don’t try and get the balance right they could be training or playing six nights out of seven. You’re doing a balancing act but there’s always the niggling worry they might be doing some kind of training with their college that you wouldn’t want them to be doing.” [/b]

As a new manager who has been asked to jump a high hurdle so soon after taking his first baby steps, O’Loughlin is far from alone. In football, there are 10 taking the plunge into inter-county management this weekend and they are all faced with the same problem. The college problem. When Mayo take on Leitrim in the Connacht League at 2.00 today, James Horan will be without 17 players that he called up to his initial panel. “It’s been quite difficult because I’m just new to the job. We are playing Down in the National League on 7 February and the bottom line is that I might get all my panel together maybe once before that game, twice if I’m lucky. So I don’t know how I’m supposed to work out a team and a panel by then.”

It’s a major problem for players too. With Horan’s college panellists lining out at the same time as Mayo over the coming weeks, he won’t get to see them and as a result they may not get a chance when squad numbers are cut back for the league. It’s the same across the country. “Most of the time you are hoping to look at guys who are on the fringes of panels and this is the time where their best chance of making a breakthrough is,” agrees new Meath manager Seamus McEnaney. “But that can’t happen if they aren’t there. So it’s hurting players and they may not get their chance because of all this.”

Few inter-county managers will say it out loud but when you stop the tape recorder many have the same solution. Right now, there is just no place for college sides in inter-county competitions. Late in 2002 when Connacht Council members met with university representatives and decided to expand the Connacht League for the 2003 season to eight teams, including NUIG, GMIT and Sligo IT, the present-day problem was never foreseen. At the time, county panels trained in November and December, managers had plenty of time to study fringe players and hold challenge games and knew their hand before they sat down at the table in January.

“It comes back to the whole inter-county training ban which is not workable for a composite of reasons,” argues GMIT manager John Maughan. “We have an under-21 footballer who happens to be on an inter-county panel, who happens to be playing Sigerson and club football and that guy is going to be absolutely flat out over the coming months. Having a ban for teams beaten in July is farcical, every county should be dealt with separately. Burnout happens from now on and that’s when it needs to be managed. Burnout doesn’t happen in November, in December, and it’s the ban rather than colleges that are the problem.”

Either way, now inter-county managers are going to that January table blind. Novelty has been replaced by nuisance and for what? Last summer, 33 football teams played out 64 games. In hurling 13 teams played out 25 games. With those sorts of measly numbers at the pinnacle of Gaelic games, the league should be big news so why devalue it by giving those same teams no time to prepare? This year’s Sigerson Cup will be run off over two weekends but with colleges having first call on so many inter-county players it appears it has been given precedence over the National League. And it’s not like college sports here hold anything like the importance they do in a country like the USA or people here have any love or affiliation with colleges. In fact how many people could even name the current Sigerson or Fitzgibbon champions? How many have ever been to a game in either competition?

For the record, DCU are current Sigerson champions and Dublin selector Niall Moyna has been over the side for a decade. But rather than the structure, he blames the calendar. "The way it is now, the seasons for different competitions don’t make any sense to anyone. The way the colleges look at this is that this is our championship season, we play our big games in four to six weeks and the counties aren’t at that stage for four to six months. In fact come the National League semi-finals county managers always say it doesn’t matter at that stage so they can’t have it every way. Right now we know what training we have our players doing but you have players going to a lot of different counties and doing different types of training and you’ve the nonsense going on before Christmas. If you ask me it’s just abuse and these young bodies can’t put up with it.

“I sat on the committee that suggested the training ban and on reflection there should be a lot of people who should be able to train in November and December, who aren’t involved in college. As long as they aren’t going out three or four nights a week. But right now you have to look at third level and say is it worth it? If you are going to have this hassle every year and players are always caught in the middle, maybe there is no need for third level anymore and I’m very serious in saying that. Maybe there is enough with senior and under-21. If it’s not going to be done at an appropriate level and we don’t have the time and effort to develop players then there’s no point in having colleges. It’s not going to work and it can’t continue this way.” There are plenty who would agree with that, many of them inter-county managers. Something has to give. It should be the winter ban. If not, then it has to be the colleges.

Ya, read that at the time. Don’t want to insult a guy i liked as a hurler and seems like more than an alright sort, but fucking hell has he been living under a rock for the last 20 years of hurling? Clearly not, but having that attitude shows a real lack of on the ground knowledge. I wonder did the writer take a bit of licence with that. I go down to Bishopstown and the Mardyke when i can to see Fitz and Sigerson, and even league games from time to time. You’d always see loads of the county players, past and present and they would be sparks, lawyer’s, chipies, accountants etc. Everyone seems to have an interest and they realise its a good breeding ground for players, and a good way to view form. I’ve seen Cody, O’ Grady & Loughnane down the Mardyke to name 3 of the better known.

The fact that the Clare senior hurling manager is only getting exposed to it this year is a little weird to be honest.

I said the same at the time. Very odd remarks. I can’t imagine he meant it as it looks here.

I’m dying to post that story about Colm Bonnar that I was asked to edit / take down last year.

Post it under your other ID Bandage.

2011 Sigerson Cup First Round Results:
Carlow IT 1-15 Athlone IT 1-11 :clap: Daithi Carroll of Laois top scores with 1-6
UUJ 1-16 Cork IT 0-4 :o
DCU 2-15 St Mary’s Belfast 0-5 :rolleyes:
UL 2-9 DIT 0-13 :o :o :o
NUI Galway 3-11 IT Sligo 0-10 <<
NUI Maynooth 0-11 Queen’s University Belfast 0-9 :o
UCC 1-10 GMIT 0-9 <
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Quarter-Final Draw:
DCU vs UCC
NUI Galway vs UCD
UL vs NUI Maynooth anyones
Carlow IT vs UUJ

What do you know about Sigerson and why do you care now? you have openly bashed it on here in the past.

Won money on UL, they were 8/1 to win, i knew they were well up for it, but its still a gigantic shock. Maynooth a big shock as well, but everything else was expected. Heard UCC were poor, but GMIT were just that bit more shit. CIT had some serious player going up north, but overall a poor team and squad for this level.

:lol: I knew you’d be in saying as much. Have a feeling I’d know a lot more than you and I’ll bash what I like Caoimhaoin if thats alright with you mate.

So you are admitting to being either a liar or a complete hypocrite or even a flip flopper or all 3.

Don’t ever call me mate either, i know who you are, i have your number and i’ll hunt you down and break your legs if you use that term again.

You can have all the feelings you want, but it doesn’t get away from the fact that you are a complete loser who’s whole life revolves around FHM and this site.

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Tick tock tick tock tick tock…

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Ya, keep it up, you’re not the only one either.

Nice analysis there mate. :clap:

Cheers. I dont fuck around buddy, straight to the point me. By the way, you ever heard of a David O Sullivan from St. Finbarrs?

Extra time between Clarinbridge and DLS, looks as though it has been a cracker of a match so far…anyone been watching

Can’t say I have MBB, and I saw Barrs play a good bit in both codes last year. A player or just someone you know from the area?

Just out it on, would love to see Bridge win.

I saw him on an inter county transfer list to Laois Turenne, havent heard of him after that either, probably no one of note, he’s off to one of the Arles’ in Laois.

Runt there’s also some fella from Monalean (sp) transferring to a Club in Laois I see.