The Official Cork GAA 2017 Thread

All players i heard talk about it, or i asked directly about it.

In other words anecdotal evidence that holds no weight. Did you note the number of Kerry players who had to have surgery in the off season after 2015 AI final?

Did you note Paul Galvin going on record making vague criticisms of the training in 2015?

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teams coached by Cian Oā€™Neill have not had high profile hamstring and cruciate injuries like all other IC teams. Tipperary, Kerry has torn hamstrings, cruciates. All teams do.

Most recently when CON had full control Kildare had numerous injuries last year.

Dublin had two cruciates in 2014. Another one in 2015. Medial ligament damage in 2016. Hamstring injuries and groin injuries last year.

3 cruciate injuries for Dublin football in two years. I recall you hammered DM when Joyce did his cruciate for Cork. That was only cruciate injury in his time there I am pretty sure.

Professional sports teams get injuries where players are fully cocooned and protected.

do ard scoil ris have lads doing a Paul Flynn on it and playing Harty cup into their mid 20ā€™s?

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None of your cherry pucked injuries match up with reality. You will have to list them out.

Agai though avoiding your weak argument.

Cork had 7 hamstring injuries, 2 should ops, an ACL and a MCL in 8 weeks in 2015. Not understanding load management being the main culprit.

Anyway, iā€™m arguing with guys who have no clue whatsoever whats involved

At least they will be quick I suppose :laughing:

Cherry picked?

We can all pick cherries like you did. Throw up the names of the players or what happened in 2013 or 2014.

so letā€™s go for quick examples of Dublinā€™s ACL and hamstring record

Cruciate

Tomas Brady - ACL - June 2013

Kevin OBrien - ACL - February 2014

Ciaran Kilkenny - ACL - March 2014

Eoghan oā€™gara - ACL - March 2015

Hamstring

Rory oā€™carroll - hamstring 2015

Dennis Bastick - hamstring 2014 and 15

Cian Oā€™Sullivan - hamstring 2015 and 2016

Paul Flynn - hamstring 2016, ongoing groin

Medial ligaments - Bastick, McCarthy

Fenton - shoulder 2015

Various other groin, Achilles, back, shoulder over last two years

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Those Limerick lads have had the monopoly on mental mid winter misery bants far too long, nice to see us langers giving it a lash.

Nice move by @TheUlteriorMotive to throw out a grenade like that that everybody else will have forgotten but in the (you can never really rule Cork out for that long) unlikely chance it comes up heā€™s lording it.

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Again avoidance. Where are your stats on tipp, kerry, mayo injuries under CON? Kerrys high operation count was driven by Manager and physios. They made an absolute balls of Maher

For what its worth, i donā€™t think he is the best and

Were all Dublins ACLā€™s non-contact?
Did all hamstring injuries cost them championship game time?

And all you are doing is emphasising DMā€™s brutal record. He basically achieved in a few weeks what others took ywars to accumulate. Nobody expects no injuries. But not contact are avoidable.

You donā€™t know what you are looking for, thats the major issue here.

So when Cian Oā€™Neill is involved itā€™s the managers fault?

You canā€™t have it both ways?

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@caoimhaoin

Any opinion on the general consensus of Kerry fans re Oā€™Neill and the high injury count with him in charge.

Yes. In a number of cases they were advised operations were not needed. They did them anyway.

Can you not join the dots?

Fitzmauice is pissed off over who gets credit for 2014. Said peoples suggestions fall on deaf ears. Said people get out of dodge at first chance for far less profile role. Media campaign against gone coach starts, partly using Manager brother in law.

You are thick as shit.

Paidi Se had it right about those Kerry fans.

They are fans. They are clueless generally

What proof have you of that?

You seem to be allergic to substantiated backup but an avid fan of baseless half cracked theories.

I actually had the Kerry physio have a childish crack at CON and Ed Coughlan on my facebook page one day when i posted an article. He took down some of it.
I have heard both sides of the story. It was well handled, but there was definitely an issue there.

As a pragmatist, I will require substantiated proof before my cynicism will be sated.

If you join the dots, Kerry players had a hell of a lot of big injuries during Cian Oā€™Neillā€™s time. I donā€™t know how you can have faith in him whilst slaughtering another S&C coach for injuries happening on his watch.

You try and overstate the importance of S&C, itā€™s just one small cog in the wheel. A lot of players are just injury prone and itā€™s just tough look. Brian McGuigan has said when interviewed that Stephen Oā€™Neill and Philip Jordan would have done everything by the book yet they struggled big time with injuries in their career. Some things in life just cannot be controlled.

Youā€™re wrong. Tyrone were doing alot of mental training individually. While the management were looking after well at times with sometimes only 1 session a week some of them were off training themselves.

Not everything can be controlled.

S&C is the development of athleticism. Now are you telling me that athleticism isnā€™t a huge cog in the wheel? Good S&C Coaches manage the loads, they support the field coaches so they know exactly the stress and trauma being put on players thru the coaches games and drills. Really they are central to everything.

Kerry won with that. Then they didnā€™t like the praise he got.

Its gas the way cunts here with zero lives would be asking for affidavits to prove yours :joy:

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