Their attempts of manliness against Tipp last year seemed to be ten minutes of trying to fight them and then letting Tipp do what they wanted for the rest of the game when that didnāt work
They werenāt able, Tipp were powerful last year, Galway the only team that matched them physically.
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They have not got any better.
Iām horrified at some of the training uām seeing some of the footballers doing.
Hurlers are woefully underckooked
Hurlers lack proper hands on, grab your jersey defenders but have forwards to take down some trophy counties.
Who is bigging them up?
Nobody.
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I was entertaining myself in one thread alright for a bit of a laugh but nobody bit. Iām in Limerick too long. 
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Cork are back.
Agreed, the backs are woeful. Nice hurlers alot of them but nice donāt cut it.
Referring and a soft culture has emerged in coaching etc
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Tipp lads come into a gym i visit, tgey dwarf the Cork footballers in terms of physique.
Tipp are really well served by Sports Science thru Setanta. An inordinate amount of their ex vounty players and coaches have at least a 2 year diploma in S&C. Setanta teaches people how to coach and centralizes skill as well. Of course there are many factors involved in Tipps success, but this is a great help.
Iām going to throw out a theory here which Iām almost certain youāll disagree with, but here goesā¦
In reality, there is little difference between the top teams, in both hurling and football, in terms of conditioning. All employ intensive S & C regimes, some of which you no doubt think are shite. The difference between them comes down to players ability and coaching. In that regard, some teams are simply better than others as they have superior players and coaches.
If the bedrock of S & C is to be able to compete physically, train & play with a view to minimising injuries, aiding recovery etc, is it not that case that all teams should be in more or less the same place in this department?
The X-factor is simply that some teams are better than others. All teams are capable of reaching the same plateau that S & C will bring them to. Few teams are capable of winning championships.
We fairly gave it to those Clare cunts last night.
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Your line of thinking is not far off. You need yhe players first.
The body is one orgamism. Every stress you put in it matters. How we learn and how we develop our motor skills is crucial to performing at sport. Good S&C understands and supports that.
For instance though in Setanta we are taught very heavily about the psychology of coaching and coaching integration. Niall Curran for instance is one guy, and there are many more, who has this degree and is working within the Tipp system. Mick Demosey and Fennelly the same in Kk. They are having an influence earlier so the whole thing flows well. All these people realise that S&C is part of the puzzle. But i would argue the students of Setanta are far more rounded and suited to sports coaching that your aceragr Sports Science graduate. Setanta mix the science and the applied. Its choc full of present coaches from all levels lecturing. Not some auld fella cashing in (which is what most universities are). For instance we learn a pile more about skill aquisition than soirts science students do. And much of the stuff taught in Uniās is outdated and debunked. So lads with a SS degree and a UKSCA online qual are given roles because of perception. Some of these people turn out to be excellent. Most fail.
However the problem with alot of teams is the seperation of physical and game olay. Thats what Kerry lost with Cian OāNeill for instance. Now EF has more control and the team are suffering. He has āhis ladā in there (who is well qualified but does not work in industry) but he is unchallenging. He also has left the āstrengthā part up to another 3 people, a physio in cork, and a lad each in Killarney and Tralee. This is a complete disconnect. EF throws in alot of very ling unecessary running alot of the time.
So S&C working well is about relationships and experience.
As for Cork, well they are a mess for years and oack cosistency. Even if the lads now were excellent coaches, they have ālearnedā alot of nonsense over past few years.
This is how it should all connect in the context of modern hurling. Just think about rucks for instance. Cork have avoided training them. If i was the S&C Coach 4 years ago i would hace been suggesting we adjust our gym work to suit this. Maybe bring in some energy system work that developed you generally for rucks. Then some general some mini games could be worked that challenge that energy system hard and cliser to the sport. By prixy you are getting them ready for that part of the game while still conditioning. Then as the year rolls on it gets sharper and more focused and is a mix of real soecific mini games and constraint led general games to develoo that really important skill. It takes time. Cork are 3 years behind. Ob too of that the S&C is far more general and too general for the entire season. It supports some injury orevention but not performance development. Which it should at high levels.
Have a look at my contruct of what athleticism really is below. And also a quick note related to say developing ruck skills in hurling. Who is involved and how they support each other. Youāll notice some of them repeat. So communication and collaboration is critical. This is very often the ONLY problem. Its very often not the skill of the coaches or S&C or physio, its that they are not listened to ir do not talk to each other.
When thats done well, KK, Tipp, Mayo and Dublin, on top of having very good player (developed in learning cultures over many years) then you get success. Kerry for instance have a great system, they play loads of football and they have been producing players thru more modern methods integrated with old school fundamentals. Kerry have been coaching ārepetition without repetitionā and āconstraint led coachingā for years without realising there was a name for it. Thats why they produce foitballers. "Cute = experienced players who have had their conceptual skills tested over and over again. Coaching is about creating an environment where players can figure solutions out for themselves. Not ārun here, do that, hit that cone, must lift 1.5 times bodyweight etc etc.ā Kerry had that in place. Nemo Rangers had that in place for instance. Its why they won a county without 9 first teamers. Everyone is given the skills.
Kerry did that winlth CON, not now. And as much as EF is an excellent manager and is already voming up with new innovative ways to play modern game, he is really ignoring that part of it and i see this as the real difference between Kerry and Dublin for instance. And it is WHY aMayo are so competitive. I think in terms of ability Mayo are well down the rankings of the big guns. But they have had years now of some really high level coaches. The best around, anywhere. Ed Coughlan as your S&C Coach is some difference to what alot of counties had/have.
Pount is good S&C develops and adds to this, not take away. But the cowboys and ignorant coaches have created a culture of mistrust.
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As a matter of interest how do you think the Waterford hurlers are developing S&C wise?
Ya seems to be good. There is nothing onvious missing anyway from the outside. Cork hurlers & footballers and Kerry footballers all have big missing parts IMO.
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i was told today that we were āpatheticā in newbridge
the locals have no regard for the quality of their own team BTW up here and certainly after the recent hammerings they have taken are very slow to praise their players,.,
these lads i spoke to reckon kildare won for the simple reason we were apparantly brutal
Not what was reported to me. Kildare tore Cork apart in patches apparently. They have good players, it was just going to take a while to wash out the McGeeney nonsense.
Nonsense?
How have Kildare done since replacing him?
Have beaten Dublin under age in last couple of years. Really have underperformed though given population and demographics they have had over last 20 years. Historically a big north south county divide has held them back a bit - shenanigans at under age etc.
Enda Murphy is a good addition to the set up in Kildare this year.
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