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Good read this, Kieth Burt, Top man if a little scary looking
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19563071

Nottingham Forest: How Keith Burt helped rebuild squad

Sean O’Driscoll could barely have fielded a matchday squad at Nottingham Forest when he took over as manager from Steve Cotterill in July.

The player pool was desperately in need of numbers, with nine professionals either out of contract or at the end of their loan spells and on the way out of the club.

Among those who departed were captain Luke Chambers, Chris Gunter and Joel Lynch - three quarters of a back four - with the club’s problem left-back position still unfilled.

To add to the pressure, the club had just been taken over by the Kuwait-based Al-Hasawi family and there were just four weeks until the start of the new campaign.

Thankfully for O’Driscoll, help was at hand.

Director of recruitment Keith Burt and his team have been advising the men in charge at the City Ground for the last seven years, utilising their vast library of player files to suggest potential signings.

Their hard work paved the way for 12 new arrivals on Trentside - essentially a whole new first team.
[font=arial][size=1]“It helped us to have our knowledge in the department this summer. We had a knowledge of who we could go and get all summer, with the hope that owners came in and backed us to go and get the players we wanted,” Burt told BBC Radio Nottingham.[/size][/font]

"We had to rely on our scouting information to go and pick up the players we did in a remarkably short space of time.

“In fairness we have to thank the owners. Every player we’ve put to the owners, they’ve put their hand in their pocket, gone out and bought them.”

Patience has become a watchword for Burt in his time at Forest.

Several of the summer’s newcomers to the club had been long-term targets of the Reds’ scouting network, and O’Driscoll has put their advice into practice.

“Sean wants good characters here, as much as good players, so predominantly we’ve come back to the English market,” Burt said.

"The players Sean’s asked us to have scouted, like Danny Collins and Danny Ayala, Sam Hutchinson, Dan Harding; we already had good information.

"Like Simon Cox, who we tried to sign three years ago when he was at Swindon Town and lost out to West Bromwich Albion, so it’s nice when you’ve scouted someone like we did and then he becomes available.

"It’s the same with Henri Lansbury. He’s a player we’ve tracked for four years and we were delighted to pick up a player of his class.

“It was nice we beat off Premier League clubs to sign the boy.”

Burt is proud of the groundwork that goes into a signing, eschewing outside influences to personally unearth talent.

“In my seven years here we’ve never signed a player from an agent’s recommendation, or from a DVD of his playing. All the players have been scouted properly,” he said.

"When the season ends it doesn’t end for people like myself. We have a two-week holiday but I always spend time at the smaller tournaments in France.

“We hope we don’t miss out on too much, there’s always someone you wish you could have got in.”

Although now back in the Championship and with hopes of mounting a promotion bid, Forest’s slip down the leagues in the last decade threw up its own challenges.

Gone were the days of multi-million pound signings such Stan Collymore, Pierre van Hooijdonk and David Johnson, as relegation to the third tier prompted a different approach.

" Garath McCleary [now with Reading in the Premier League - signed from non-league Bromley in January 2008] was a good case. We were in League One at the time and we had to look at players from the lower reaches," added Burt.

"Chris Cohen was one we looked at 10 or 11 times, predominantly at West Ham and then Yeovil, and when he became available, and into our reaches with the money, we had to act quickly.

“Look at what a servant he has become for the club.”

Burt’s role at Forest has grown from chief scout, recommending players in the traditional sense, to the ill-fated acquisition group so heavily criticised by former manager Billy Davies, and now on to his current post as director of recruitment.

“I do everything from start to finish, meet the agents, agree the fees with clubs and try to agree the best value for Nottingham Forest,” Burt said.

"That can go on for days, but as in everything it tends to be weeks. If we’re connected to a player or touted for that player, that’s probably been going on for a long while.

“There’s more people involved now with every transfer. Years ago you could ring a club up and it would be done over 48 hours, but now it’s a matter of days and weeks.”

Football may have changed since he began his work, but Burt remains just as enthusiastic about the unearthing of talent for the Forest cause as he was when he arrived at the club in 2005.

[font=arial][size=3] Forest transfer landmarks[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63727000/jpg/_63727525_pa-369770.jpg[/size][/font]
[font=arial][size=3]Joe Baker (Arsenal-Forest) - £65,000 - July 1966[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]‘Zigger Zagger’ - in tribute to the chant he was bestowed by the Trent End - was a hugely popular signing and one that showed Forest’s championship intentions. He scored 41 goals in 118 games for the Reds, leading the club to runners-up in his first season.[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Peter Shilton (Stoke-Forest) - £250,000 - September 1977[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Brian Clough decided England under-21 goalkeeper John Middleton was not the man required to lead Forest to glory, and went straight to England keeper Shilton for his replacement. It took a British record fee for a goalkeeper to prise him away from the Potteries, but it proved a snip as the Reds marched onto domestic and European glory.[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Trevor Francis (Birmingham-Forest) £1,000,000 - February 1979[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Forest smashed the £1m barrier to set a British transfer record for Francis. The striker was a European Cup winner in his first season, heading the winner against Malmo in Munich to seal theprize aged just 25. Injury curtailed his second final appearance, but crucial goals en route made him a vital part of 1980’s trophy winners.[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Stuart Pearce (Coventry-Forest) - £300,000* - July 1985[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Pearce arrived at Forest in a *joint-deal with Ian Butterworth, but went on to become a Forest legend. 522 appearances and 88 goals, plus Littlewoods Cup and Simod Cup final wins, wrote his name in folklore. He eventually left Forest - after a caretaker spell in charge - to joinNewcastle United but has retained his place as a Reds legend.[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Pierre van Hooijdonk - (Celtic-Forest) £3.5m - March 1997[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]The Netherlands international remains Forest’s record signing, and one of the most controversial characters in the club’s history. Unable to prevent relegation from the Premier League in 1997, the Dutchman smashed 34 goals to fire the club to the Championship title the following season. The summer following promotion turned sour as Van Hooijdonk went on strike, angered by the sale of key players, and on his return was unable to save Forest from an immediate Division One return.[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Robert Earnshaw - (Derby-Forest) £2.65m - May 2008[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=3]Robert Earnshaw’s inclusion owes more to the size of transfer fee than the excitement surrounding the transfer. £2.65m in May 2008 was a small-fry sum, and yet was just £850,000less than the fee for Van Hooijdonk. What made it interesting was Earnshaw joined Forest from rivals Derby, and the fact the Reds had only just returned to the Championship after three seasons in League One.[/size][/font]

Sean O’Driscoll sacked

Excellent win for Forest today, Sean O’Driscoll is doing a good job there. :clap:

They’re a big club and have been down for too long.

:strokechin:

Alex McLeish is the new Nottingham Forest manager

FFS

Anyone know who his agent is? Does a fair job of getting him work despite his shitness. Probably some cunt like Willie McKay

The Midlands Relegator :lol:

You have to feel sorry for Forest fans.

Alex McLeish. For fucks sake.

why was the old manager sacked?

too loyal to reid?

I found this article mildly amusing

Alex McLeish: The Man Who Steals A Living

by Daisy Cutter

Chewing tinfoil, challenging Eamonn Holmes to a pie-off, or turning up at your local primary school in a tracksuit and smoking a cigar; these are the only three things that come to mind that are as thunder-f***ingly stupid as employing Alex McLeish to run your football club.

Yet over the Christmas period that’s precisely what the Al Hasawi family did at Nottingham Forest thereby consigning the Midlands outfit to at least another two seasons in the Championship assuming that relegation can somehow be avoided in spite of McLeish’s failings.

Why did the new Kuwaiti owners take this colossally retarded decision? F*** knows but then again it’s a mystery how the man who looks like a pensioner’s scrotum and is an arch devotee of 1980s football has ever been granted a place in any dug-out. Not only is his archaic philosophy entrenched in direct ABC fare he is so monumentally incompetent as a man, a man-manager and a manager he can’t even implement that correctly. Instead the ginger whinger has made a career out of taking over the reins of a club and immediately blanketing it with his bleakness, nullifying any promise it previously contained, and smearing his turdish, turgid pessimism all over the changing room walls.

Fawaz Al Hasawi claimed their decision to ruthlessly discard with the services of Sean O’Driscoll in December just hours after a 4-2 win over Leeds was because they wanted someone with ‘Premier League experience’.

Firstly that in itself is a flawed criterion on which to base any appointment. Bryan Robson has Premier League experience as too does Graeme Souness, Paul Sturrock, Terry Connor and Paul Jewell. The reason these men have ‘experience’ in the past tense is because they proved themselves to be utterly inept at the highest level. The same applies in spades to McLeish.

Secondly, it may have failed to register with the owners but their new pet project is presently residing in the Championship. So surely it makes better sense to employ a gaffer with Championship experience rather than planning for a day that may never again arrive.

O’Driscoll’s credentials in the second tier were admirable; he got Doncaster Rover over-achieving there whilst playing an attractive brand of football then was in the process of finally instilling stability at Forest whilst challenging for a play-off spot.

Sadly for O’Driscoll it was exactly this steady and sensible mandate that was to be his undoing. In the modern age of foreign ownership such under-stated values was never going to cut it as filthy rich sheikhs and consortiums seek a ‘name’ to inhabit their dug-out and represent their ‘brand’. This shallow, celebrity thinking reached a fresh nadir recently with the sacking of Nigel Adkins at Southampton.

The notion that McLeish could ably represent any brand aside from Preparation H is ludicrous in the extreme but after enjoying some degree of success in Scotland with Rangers – something a lobotomised TOWIE cast member could replicate – he has now forever attained a reputation as a big-name manager. In reality he is anything but – the man has the personality of a rectal prolapse – but despite being tactically-naïve and astoundingly piss-poor at his profession he is in the elite club of famous dullards of which Mark Hughes is the current president who are habitually installed in a hotseat to replace a gaffer who knew what he was doing. Once there they are given funds the previous incumbent was deprived of, lavished with wages the previous incumbent could only dream of, and then set about infecting the club with their incompetence, dismantling anything good that was within and blaming everyone else but themselves in the process.

How the hell do they continually get away with this? Because they were once well-known players (or in McLeish’s case they enjoy a close bond with Alex Ferguson) and they talk themselves up in the press. A lot. And because the bulk of the intelligence within football lies with the supporters and even though we know they’re stealing a living we can’t do a thing besides write pieces like this.

Since arriving down south in 2007 Alex McLeish’s record has been the epitome of mediocrity. At Birmingham, Villa and now Forest there have been 72 wins, 70 draws, and 74 losses in the 216 games he has overseen. ‘Goldmember’ eats, sleeps and breathes mid-table.

But wait because those stats are misleading as they include a one-off successful promotion with Brum where his drab, dreary football-without-a-pulse somehow gained them a runner-up spot. That was in 2008 and take those 23 victories away and you’re left with four years of a steady downward trajectory mirroring what we’re already witnessing at Forest. Just a single win thus far and that was against struggling Peterborough at home. One win in six, the fans complaining of negative, unambitious football, and McLeish gruffly bemoaning at the weekend that his team need to buck their ideas up or else. It’s started already.

West Brom aside Midlands football is experiencing a lull of late. It’s no coincidence that the personality-vacuum who couldn’t manage his way out of a suit has recently been at the helm of most.

How does Alex McLeish find employment as a coach? F*** knows but as long as common sense continues to be an unappreciated commodity in football he will remain polluting the game with his dreary brand for some time yet.

Forest fans you have our deepest sympathies.

I mentioned it on the transfer window thread last night but there are plenty of rumours that he’s leaving Forest due to the owner’s handling of the botched George Boyd transfer. The Times in London are running with the story that he’s out of there today.

Alex McLeish leaves Forest by mutual concent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21338533]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21338533

Story that he is leaving over differences on strategy with the board. What about a strategy of winning more than one match out of seven you useless cunt???

:lol:

Not wrong pal, Forest fans should be rejoicing. :pint:

Fucking delighted that hun cunt is gone, has to be one of the more disasterous footballing appointments in recent times, and thats saying a lot. I believe he is a bolt on certainty to take over from Rafa.

Thought that was hilarious alright. Whoever wrote that has a great sense of humour.

Billy Davies has returned to Nottingham Forest as manager

The King is BACK :clap: :clap:

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      <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.462em;]Nottingham Forest have re-appointed Billy Davies as their new manager, just 20 months after he was sacked. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Davies has signed a three-and-half-year deal and told BBC East Midlands Today he has "unfinished business" at http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13644012]the club he left in June 2011. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]The 48-year-old Scot said: "I am delighted to be coming back to finish the task that my staff and I started. It feels like I am coming home." <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Former Forest coaches David Kelly and Julian Darby have also returned. <div style="margin-left:-160px;] <div style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);] <blockquote> <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.538em;]<span style="background-color:transparent;]“</span>Billy is a Forest legend. We know how excited he is to pick up where he left off last time and we will back him 110%<span>”</span> [/quote] <span style="color:rgb(79,77,75);margin:8px 0px 3px;]Fawaz Al Hasawi<span style="color:rgb(79,77,75);]Forest chairman</span> <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Kelly has left his role at Walsall http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21343978#" title="Click to Continue > by Browse to Save]to join as deputy manager and Darby will become first-team coach, while Pete Williams also returns as goalkeeping coach. They will all work alongside Rob Kelly, who remains assistant manager. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Chairman Fawaz Al Hasawi <a class="" href="http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/]<span>told the club website:</span><span> </span> "I'm delighted to welcome Billy back to our club and really look forward to working closely with him. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]"Billy has unfinished business with the Reds and we know how hungry he is for success. In returning to the City Ground we believe his leadership will help us fulfil our ambition of making it to the Premier League. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]"Billy is a Forest legend who needs no introduction to our loyal fans. We know how excited he is to pick up where he left off last time and we will back him 110% - this is a very exciting http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21343978#" title="Click to Continue > by Browse to Save]appointment ." <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Davies becomes the fourth Forest manager to work under the http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21293708]Al Hasawi family since they took over in July. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Steve Cotterill was sacked within two days of their arrival and Sean O'Driscoll was appointed in the summer, but then sacked just after Christmas. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21338533]Alex McLeish left Forest by mutual consent on Tuesday after just 40 days in charge and Davies quickly http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21351739]emerged as the overwhelming favourite to succeed his fellow Scot. <div style="margin-left:-160px;] <div style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);] <pre><code>Billy Davies at Forest </code></pre> <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);]Jan 2009-Jun 2011: <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);]<strong>Games: </strong>126 - <strong>Wins: </strong>53 - <strong>Draws: </strong>36 - <strong>Lost: </strong>37. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);]Davies took over after a return to the Championship under Colin Calderwood had produced just four league wins in 25 games. The former Derby County boss led the club to consecutive play-off campaigns, but the Scot fell out with the board because of a failure to land further targets and was sacked after a play-off semi-final defeat against Swansea City. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Davies recently held talks with Blackpool over the vacant manager's position at Bloomfield Road, but no deal was agreed and the Seasiders said on Wednesday that Davies was keen to "follow another opportunity". <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Former Preston North End and Derby County manager Davies has always maintained he has unfinished business at the City Ground. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Last January, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16698274]he spoke of his desire to return as the club struggled under the then boss Cotterill. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]And that possibility moved a step closer when McLeish left on Tuesday. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]The 54-year-old cited "a difference of understanding of the development strategy" at the club as the reason for his exit. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]McLeish was understood to be angered by the club's failure to sign players during the January transfer window and http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21309127]refused to commit his future to the club following Saturday's defeat against Birmingham City. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]Davies was first named Reds boss in January 2009 and led the Championship club to successive play-off campaigns. <p style="color:rgb(28,28,28);font-size:1.077em;]But he often had a fiery relationship with the previous board during his spell in charge and left two-and-half years later.