The Official TFK Ireland 1912-1923 Thread

Well done to Jim Bolger

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What is the theory for why so many of the notable figures of that period are from Cork or why so much of the fighting or big incidents took place there?
Obviously there and tipp. Is there any reason put forward for why these counties in particular were more revolutionary in make up.
(I know this will probably attract the usual Cork people love the Queen hahaha but surely that’s been done to death)

Two Limerick mayors were whacked as well, but we don’t go on about these things.

There was a doc on him the other night on rte. Wasn’t great I thought was too focused on the mechanics of the hunger strike and not the man himself what motivated him etc?
He’s a surprisingly unheralded figure these days really. Well down the list of most famous figures from the time seems to be very little named after him etc. His death seems to have made a huge worldwide impact at the time. Even Bobby sands is far more famous when the two of them basically did the exact same thing. Is there some dark side to macswiney or something?

In fact, the blueprint for 1916 was drawn up by John Daly and Thomas Clarke. Daly, Mayor of Limerick, hounded Queen Vic so much about the Boer war and her Famine crimes she refused to come to Limerick in 1901 and wouldn’t bestow a lord Mayorship on Limerick… while Dublin and Cork welcomed her with open paws… Clarke married Daly’s sister and of course his nephew was in the GPO.

But look, we don’t like to go on about these things.

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Terence MacSwiney is my favourite Irish patriot and I maybe I will read his Principles of Freedom this week. I can understand why the Establishment would focus on the horror of his death rather than have the general public reading it.

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Tipperary and Cork are simply the real deal when it comes to Irishness.

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I think Dublin gets a raw deal when it comes to the myth making around the War of Independence. There was as much activity in Dublin as there was in Cork, Limerick or Tipperary.

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Agreed. I would guess that 90% plus of all IRA actions took place in those 4 counties.

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Munster has always been subservient to Britain.

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Have you read Dave Hannigans book on TMcS? It’s an excellent read, not at all highbrow, if you can’t get it I’ll post it to you.

There’s two fabulous busts outside the city hall in Corkof the two mayors, I was always fascinated with them ass young boy, my mother rested me on stories of McSwiney and other Cork patriots, her own mother was from down around Upton and cane from a rabid family of nationalists.
Shame there was never a major street named after McSwiney @Arthur, McCurtain got a Main Street

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I’ll look for it, thanks.

Unfortunately , British plantations only thrived in one area of Ireland - they utterly failed in Munster so they went North where they would be better received.

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The great “O’Neills” were really just English lackies.

The O’Neills went down to save Limerick from the British and the Limerick natives begged them into surrendering.

You couldn’t make it up.

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How many titles did they take from the tudors? I suppose not enough and that’s when they kicked up a fuss.

@Thomas_Brady

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No there wasn’t