I rarely recognise any of the names that are bandied about in threads like this as if they are A list celebs,
What exactly were the allegations against McDermott? I hear him mentioned a lot and remember him from television, are we not supposed to talk about it?
He forced his willy into a young wans mouth. She was 18 but still in school I thinkā¦ Thatās the allegation anyway. It was posted on social media but not sure if it went further.
So basically it turns out that Eoghan McDermott and Mason Greenwood are the type of people the anti-cancel cultureā¢ loons are angry about being cancelled.
Guess you could throw Tom Humphries in there too. Thankfully Donald Trump wasnāt cancelled. That would have been terrible.
A woman accused him anonymously of grooming her and forcing her into oral sex. He disappeared off rte within days. No sign of him since.
A production of Breakfast at Pluto was cancelled by the donmar theatre after it was picketed by lgbt activists. They were unhappy that the main role, that of a gay man who cross dresses, was given to a gay man and not a transgender person.
Just yāknow, so you have something to tell your sister.
Well it makes perfect sense that the anti-cancel cultureā¢ loons would be angry about it.
Eoghan McDermott, Mason Greenwood and Tom Humphries have been cancelled.
Cancel cultureā¢ is apparently a bad thing that we are supposed to be angry about.
And the anti-cancel cultureā¢ loons supported Donald Trump, so we know they donāt like people who are the subject of credible allegations of sexual assault being cancelled.
Dawkins and the play one are textbook cancels in fairness. I wonāt be going back to her with them though. I know better than to take on an angry woke white woman. Iād probably end up cancelled.
Is Richard Dawkins himself not an example of actual cancel culture? Dawkins has said it is immoral not to abort any pregnancy in which it is known would result in a child with Downās syndrome. That sounds like actual cancel culture to me.
Do you see what you did there? You threw Tom Humphries, a convicted paedophile in there. And Mason Greenwood who was arrested for rape and assault. Thatās not cancelled. An anonymous allegation that finishes a career and is never followed up or investigated is cancelling. And Iād have no time for Eoghan McD usually. Rowling was cancelled. @Arthur asked for examples of cancelling.
Tom Humphries was cancelled long before he was convicted of anything. The allegations against Tom Humphries came to into the public domain on April 10th, 2011. I know this because I heard about it during Rory McIlroyās meltdown at Augusta. Tom Humphries was charged in March 2014, pleaded guilty in March 2017, and was convicted in October 2017.
Your stance here seems to be that anonymous allegations are by definition not true. You canāt seriously believe that? What percentage of rapes result in a conviction? What percentage of sexual assaults result in a conviction? If Mason Greenwood had not been recorded trying to rape Harriet Robson, does Harriet Robsonās story then become just another āallegationā which is not followed up? Possibly, maybe probably.
Correct me if Iām wrong, but when the allegation against Eoghan McDermott surfaced, Iām pretty sure a lot of the same people who howl about so called cancel cultureā¢ were very definitely NOT howling about McDermott being the victim of an injustice. I do not remember any so called anti-cancel cultureā¢ loons standing up for McDermott. They were ravenous for his cancellation. Why? Because McDermott was seen to be associated with so called āwokenessā, whatever that is. And thus the entire spectrum of āwokenessā was to be tarred with an association with sexual assault. Which is actual cancel culture.
Cancel cultureā¢ is a right wing American obsession. That is where the whole idea that cancel cultureā¢ is a thing originates and right wing America and now the international right wing are the people that push it.
If the anti-cancel cultureā¢ loons had a genuine problem with sexual assault, rape and sexual predation, why did the American right wing and the international right wing glorify Donald Trump, a man who is clearly a grotesque sexual predator, who has admitted to sexual assault, whose own former wife said he raped her, who had charges filed against him for raping a 13 year old girl, and who currently shares the same lawyers as Jeffrey Epstein?
Or is cancel cultureā¢, like pretty much every āideaā that emerges from the American right wing, a poorly thought through gaslighting exercise designed to protect appalling behaviour and criminal behaviour by right wingers and reactionaries only?
Some very informative posts here @Juhniallio. My assessment is as follows:-
McDermott, Humphries, George Hook - justified
Breakfast at Pluto, Dawkins, Israeli Ambassador - ridiculous
Unfortunately for all of you, Iāve a few other thoughts:-
Every society has a type of ostracization or shaming for those who transgress itās central moral tenets. Maybe the moral tenets couldnāt survive without this, I donāt know. Very recently Iām thinking of people who lost their jobs for having affairs, being exposed as secret homosexuals, etcā¦ That was a recent enough phenomenon but it just wasnāt called ācancellationā.
Trinity should be embarrassed about themselves.
The most worrying Irish example youāve given is Breakfast at Pluto. Grass-roots lunatics, radicalised by the internet and everyone is afraid to stand up to them. Reminiscent of Archbishop MacQuaid cancelling plays back in the 1950s except that thereās no controlling mind, which makes it more dangerous. Thatās a scene that could flourish under a Trump-style leader, although that would be more difficult because itās also a scene that would turn on its leader quicker than the Trump supporters.
I donāt like the term ācancellationā, as if human beings are trains or buses, or even plays.
You have to recognise that generally speaking there is far far less of this in Ireland than abroad. Perfect, glorious example was Kevin Myers. Heād been spouting racist shite against the Africans for years and getting away with it in the most prestigious Irish broadsheets. Simultaneously heād been glorifying everything English and sticking his nose up at the boggy little Paddies he was stuck with. He turns up in London writing for the Brits that he idolized so much and gets cancelled within a few months for something that would have been absolutely nothing in Ireland. Sent back to the Paddies that he hates with his tae in his mug. Great.
Also on Ireland being especially liberal (relatively speaking), donāt forget that Ireland is the only country in the world where the cast of the Lion King were given racist abuse on the streets. Generally speaking you can get away with things here that arenāt tolerated anywhere else in the West. Conor McGregor only got away with a lot of it because he was Irish.