The Rugby Thread (Part 2)

[Juhniallio]

Demonstrably false in what manner? Plenty of surveys say the opposite. Your survey is the only survey on the matter that counts and no other scientific trial should be introduced as evidence? As in, you just want any conflicting evidence to be false?

[neilld]

Was this survey based on people reporting feeling symptoms of concussion? How did they come to their conclusion?

[Tim_Riggins]

@neilld

I don’t think people should worry about letting their kids play rugby, especially young kids. They’re not moving quick enough to generate the force to do harm and most kids never will aspire to a level where thats an issue

Health wise, parents should probably be more worried about their kids growing spending 60-hours-a-week looking at a spreadsheet for 40 years of their lives but fuck it, gotta do something.

Quite fair. But the study is the study.

It appears that women’s necks make them more disposed to concussions make them just as disposed as boys who play more “contact” sports like American football.

We don’t know how that will impact on women in time as female sports participation has seen an exponential increase in the last couple of decades. We arguably have a century plus on male contact sports as a hobby.

The question is why someone line @fenwaypark who says they won’t allow rugby won’t answer the question on girls playing contact sports of any ilk given the data coming out on it.

[fenwaypark]

Tim, stop tagging me. You are beyond annoying.

[Juhniallio]

It’s the rugby thread tim. Not the ‘Tim’s campaign to stop women playing sport’ thread.

[Juhniallio]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

You live in malahide now mate

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy 20/4/23 I live in malahide
@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy 9/5/23 I don’t live in malahide.

Fuck. He’s obviously been on to his besser Darragh O Brien and had a boundary moved.

[neilld]

Thats fair enough, I would see a good case for taking heading out of womens football in that case. It might mitigate things some way. The heading is a poor spectacle anyway.

I read the Fergus Slattery interview a few weeks ago. Tough stuff but he had an amazing life and brought a lot of happiness to people. His family can at least console themselves with that. Rugby is going to go the way of Boxing at the upper levels. I saw highlights of the AIL final there and those lads are moving like professionals. They know the score. Its sad, but they’ll have to bring in waivers from Junior Cup onward.

They sure as fuck aint going back to tackling below the waist or adding some weight limit gimmick bullshit, the people (paying public) have seen too much and won’t buy it.

[Tim_Riggins]

@neilld

Was this survey based on people reporting feeling symptoms of concussion? How did they come to their conclusion?

There has been multiple studies with multiple methods- include reporting by trainers and also the concept of NCE with involves the study observing games to see potential concussion events.

They have also studied the aftermath of diagnosed concussions and find them more severe in females.

[Tim_Riggins]

@neilld

Thats fair enough, I would see a good case for taking heading out of womens football in that case. It might mitigate things some way. The heading is a poor spectacle anyway.

I read the Fergus Slattery interview a few weeks ago. Tough stuff but he had an amazing life and brought a lot of happiness to people. His family can at least console themselves with that. Rugby is going to go the way of Boxing at the upper levels. I saw highlights of the AIL final there and those lads are moving like professionals. They know the score. Its sad, but they’ll have to bring in waivers from Junior Cup onward.

They sure as fuck aint going back to tackling below the waist or adding some weight limit gimmick bullshit, the people (paying public) have seen too much and won’t buy it.

I’m not sure the “risk” warrants it to be honest.

I would just say that there are some very disingenuous barstoolers like @Juhniallio and seemingly reckless dads like @fenwaypark on the issue.

[Tim_Riggins]

You’re reading away on the thread and interacting silently where it suits you. Pretty simple question on female sports that you won’t answer. Again fair enough if you weren’t aware but now that the facts have been brought to you I hope you apply the same level of apparent compassion.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Juhniallio

It’s the rugby thread tim. Not the ‘Tim’s campaign to stop women playing sport’ thread.

Yes mate and given you (falsely) asserted that less kids played rugby in Ireland now because of concussions, bringing up relative concussions across the spectrum of contact sports is very relevant.

[fenwaypark]

Ok to be clear. My girls can play any sport they show interest in. The exception being rugby as I have seen first hand the damage concussion does to kids.

If I have ‘bias’ , I can live with it. They were at camoige tonight and had a great time.

[Tim_Riggins]

These folks seem to think this could be a gamechanger.

Will a Bizarre Neck Device Solve Football's Concussion Problem?

Also very notable that NFL quarterbacks are beefing up their necks to mitigate concussion risk.

One for the dads coaching girls sports teams if they really are concerned about concussions.

[Tim_Riggins]

@fenwaypark

Ok to be clear. My girls can play any sport they show interest in. The exception being rugby as I have seen first hand the damage concussion does to kids.

If I have ‘bias’ , I can live with it. They were at camoige tonight and had a great time.

So you have a bias- despite studies showing female soccer to be as big a risk as male high school football.

On that basis you don’t actually care- and by your own standard are a hypocrite.

USWNT legend Briana Scurry: ‘The problem with concussions is a lot of us...

No surprise many are suffering in silence with the pushy dads.

[Juhniallio]

@Tim_Riggins

@Juhniallio

It’s the rugby thread tim. Not the ‘Tim’s campaign to stop women playing sport’ thread.

Yes mate and given you (falsely) asserted that less kids played rugby in Ireland now because of concussions, bringing up relative concussions across the spectrum of contact sports is very relevant.

I’m assuming you’ve been at the hooch tim. Or you’re a bit coked up and cant actually remember. You’re wrong again. I didnt say that. I said it was a pity parents wouldnt let their kids play for fear of injury. Here’s the link to the unedited post. Maybe spend a little less time on the toilet cistern mate.

The Rugby Thread (Part 1)

Indeed. Its just a pity less and less parents are letting their kids play cos they are worried about the possibility of injury…

[Tim_Riggins]

@Juhniallio

I’m assuming you’ve been at the hooch tim. Or you’re a bit coked up and cant actually remember. You’re wrong again. I didnt say that. I said it was a pity parents wouldnt let their kids play for fear of injury. Here’s the link to the unedited post. Maybe spend a little less time on the toilet cistern mate.

You stated “less and less” kids - and I pointed out that this wasn’t factual.

You’ve been flailing away since.

Not sure why you are bringing alcohol or drugs into this, this is just a discussion that you can’t keep up with. Did you spend a few hours there looking for another angle with the MND stuff after failing with concussions?

[Juhniallio]

I didnt mate. I said less parents. I said me, my rugby playing mate who would love his kids to play but thinks its too dangerous. Then another poster popped in and confirmed he was of the same opinion. I used not to be of that opinion. I am now. I know many others. You can cut and dice that shit whatever way you want.
Or you can tell me rugby is safe (bizarrely) because women have weaker necks (what sort of study is that for anyone to be hanging an argument on??).
It’s all horseshit.
Rugby is exponentially more likely to lead to brain injury than football. Its ‘demonstrable’ as you like to say yourself.
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[Juhniallio]

And no, i spent a couple of hours earlier painting walls cos Juhy junior has his communion saturday. If you’d like to argue tomorrow I’ll have to do it after i finish work (in 2 seperate Gaelscoils btw) and before i go get a trestle table and a tent style thing and do a booze run. Such is life.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Juhniallio

I didnt mate. I said less parents. I said me, my rugby playing mate who would love his kids to play but thinks its too dangerous. Then another poster popped in and confirmed he was of the same opinion. I used not to be of that opinion. I am now. I know many others. You can cut and dice that shit whatever way you want.
Or you can tell me rugby is safe (bizarrely) because women have weaker necks (what sort of study is that for anyone to be hanging an argument on??).
It’s all horseshit.
Rugby is exponentially more likely to lead to brain injury than football. Its ‘demonstrable’ as you like to say yourself.

And you were incorrect- as discussed. You’ve been flailing since and looking for the handy like or two.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Juhniallio

And no, i spent a couple of hours earlier painting walls cos Juhy junior has his communion saturday. If you’d like to argue tomorrow I’ll have to do it after i finish work (in 2 seperate Gaelscoils btw) and before i go get a trestle table and a tent style thing and do a booze run. Such is life.

Still at it