The buzzcocks were the first band from the era that I got into, my brother was a huge fan and I still have a soft spot for them.
Buzzcocks- Orgasm addict
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByIW4KjFKMA
Great track. Great album. Great band. Fuck the haters
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Really? From the sage of shit talking thatās rich.
The measure of music of any era is its longevity, not how nostalgic we feel about it. Mozart is as good today as when he was alive. Joy Division are as good today as 1979. Most of what was around then is forgotten shit, frankly like most of what you post here.
Reluctantly agree, but nowhere near as influential as JD.
Bernard Sumner appeared to hold The Clash in high regard:
Iād personally have Joy Division well down my list of music from that era. I would agree that they sound as good today as they would have then; depressing and frankly a bit boring. But thatās my opinion.
Seeing as you bring up longevity, itās worth seeing what people are looking up onlineā¦
- The Clash - Rock the Casbah 26,095,633 views
- The Clash - London Calling (Official Video) 16,909,442 views
- Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO] 16,702,181 views
- Joy Division - Transmission [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO] 4,661,300 views
- The Clash - Should I Stay or Should I Go 4,240,882 views
- Joy Division - Atmosphere [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO] 2,939,518 views
The Clash are clearly ahead in the longevity stakes.
Sumner (an utter wanker) is taking about the influence Rock the Casbah (which was a huge hit in the New York new wave scene), had on New Order. The song was released in 1982, two years after Joy Divisionās demise. Thereās no question punk, and specifically the Sex Pistols, kick started Joy Division, but they very quickly moved beyond punk to become the greatest and most influential music āartistsā since the Velvet Underground. The leap from their early Warsaw material in 1978 to Unknown Pleasures in 1979 is simply miraculous, the only comparison imo is the leap the Beatles made in the mid sixties. Their body of work for such a short time period is simply phenomenal. Listen to Unknown Pleasures in its entirety loud with a decent set of headphones and see if it might revise your boring rating.
If You tube views are the measure of longevity, then Rod Stewartās Do You Think Iām Sexy wins hands down from 1979 at 34,081,035 views, so Rod wins the popularity contest. Look, my response was a bit OTT, but at the end of the day The Clash were an extremely good and popular band (and influential in their day) and win hands down over JD (as many other bands of that era would) on CD sales. Weāre talking about art though, where commercial success isnāt much of a metric, Van Gogh wasnāt very popular in his day either.
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Sure if itās art then how can you criticise any one elseās opinion and say Iām right your wrong? There is no correct answer.
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Art is both subjective and objective, so I agree on the subjective level the emotional impact it has on people varies, and there is no right or wrong. You can compare art objectively though, which has to do with the art itself and not anyoneās opinion of it. For example, someone saying Van Goghās paintings are shit may be an opinion, but its simply a wrong opinion.
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@anon7035031 is actually a performance artist and TFK is his medium. That last post is one of the works in his new series āKilling art with statisticsā.
Itās an incisive and unsympathetic commentary on what @Sidney and @GeoffreyBoycott do to most threads.
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So youāre agreeing the clash are better and that I was right all along? Apology accepted. It takes a bigger man to acknowledge he was wrong on the Internet. Letās put it behind us and move on.
PS. Van gogh was unpopular because the cunt only had one ear.
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Thatās a very over the top reaction complete with a few unnecessary and cliched digs at me presumedly to score points.
How can it be that only one band mattered from the mid 70s to early 80s, I like Joy Division and know they were influential but youāve got punk, new wave, disco and roots of hip hop there among others, my own favourite band is the smiths and while there was obviously a joy division influence the band that Morrissey idolised was (and I know you know this) was the New York Dolls, a band that never troubled the mainstream.
Donāt be so precious about JD, nobody is doubting they were great. Respect my right to think whatever music I like is good and try not to such an arrogant prick in your reply if possible.
Yes, and Rod Stewart is better than both, good to see we are on the same wavelength.
Van Gogh chose to have one ear.
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Digs at your opinions pal, not you, donāt be so precious and thin skinned. As for arrogance, we are Cork 
The Stooges, VU, and the New York Dolls were the bands that woke music up and showed there was life beyond the overindulgent shit the music industry was mired in by the early 70s. UK punk took it to the next level, but Joy Division transcended all of it as there was nothing like them before, or since (Interpol would be the closest, but they are a basically a JD cover band). Yes, thereās lots of good music, then and now, and you are entitled to like whatever you like, regardless of whether I think its shit or not.
The Smiths were depressing and boring imo, but to each their own.
The Velvet Underground stuff surpasses anything which Joy Division subsequently did in my view. Yes, JD were excellent but you are totally overblowing how good they were in comparison to others.
You mention the Smiths who you call depressing, yet whose lead singer topped himself. Anyway the Smiths are a completely different band with a complete different style so I wouldnāt even begin to compare them.
Look at the likes of Sonic Youth. Wonderfully original - I would place them ahead of Joy Division. I have a big grĆ” for Pixies and in terms of shock value when they emerged it must have been huge. Even now their stuff still packs a punch.
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My reference to the Smiths as depressing and boring was an unsubtle dig at the Galway roaster.
JD are very dark, but there can be great beauty in darkness. The thing with Joy Division is what they might have become if Curtis hadnāt checked out, their last chronological release Atmosphere / Dead Souls, the unrecorded Ceremony and early New Order give glimpses of it I think, but weāll never know.
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Huh?
Thatās what she said. Wahey!