The Smiths - The Greatest Indie Band of All Time?

You’ve got to admire Marrs principles
He’s a brilliant guitarist but he’s never been anything without Moz,

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He’s doing quite alright without Moz

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He’s been trading on his name made due to his collab with Moz,
I have utmost respect for him but don’t fool myself

And The Smiths had no Sound without Johnny Fucking Marr

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100%. Morrissey was a great lyricist and singer but his solo stuff pales in comparison

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I disagree
The first few solo albums were superb,

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The Tipp wagons circling

Each to their own. I never got hugely into the solo stuff.

Neither have hit the heights since, it’s as simple as that… Morrissey has had a few decent tracks as a solo but they worked together like a hand in glove.

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Wouldn’t have had him down as a great singer - he was definitely the weaker of the two

The Smiths were probably the greatest band ever in my opinion.

70 odd songs in four years. 90% of which were top class.

That is down primarily to Morrissey and Marr. So kudos to both,

Since the split I think there was the idea that Morrissey would fall apart without Marr. That didn’t happen and arguably it was the other way around. I agree with @backinatracksuit here

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There’s still ill feeling between them though.

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Morrissey has turned into a horrible cunt. His sad decline into a racist little englander has sullied his legacy for me anyway.

Marr seems like an alright sort.

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Seems like an alright sort, because he is an alright sort. Morrissey’s a complete cunt, though a genius lyricist and front man. Marr 1 of the great lead guitarists. Together they were incredible, apart, not so much

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The most original sound since hendrix? He seemed to arrive from nowhere in particular

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That’s completely backwards anyway. Everything Marr has been involved in is class. Morrissey’s warbling is painful enough even at his best but without Marr he’s laughable.

I thought Morrissey’s output came very close to the smiths while I followed his career closely,
Everything up to and including Vauxhall and I was superb,
Like most I’ve paid little attention to Johnny Marrs projects

Glas won’t be able to be the slightest bit impartial on Morrissey because of his political leanings

Together, Morrissey and Marr and indeed Rourke and Joyce were one of the greatest bands we’ve ever seen. Each talented in their own right. Morrissey peaked (IMO) with Vauxhall & I with some exceptions. Marr is one of the greatest guitarist ever and will tell you himself I’m sure that he is a weak singer and lyricist in comparison to his guitar talent.
I just think we were all lucky to be around to witness The Smiths. I have them there with Radiohead as one of the greatest bands ever. I dip in and out of their music these days but listened to them on loop as a teenager. I cried the first time I heard Morrissey perform ā€œHow Soon is Nowā€ live behind in Killarney in 2006. He played the Marquee a year or two later and went with the brother - saw the same reaction by him when he performed it - we hugged it out at the time in an acknowledgement of what The Smiths meant to us growing up.

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I appreciate many people like Morrissey but I’ve always thought his singing was terrible, it’s often laughably bad. Everything Marr has been involved in is objectively excellent.