I was waiting for you to chirp in, no reason to think HF wonāt hammer her for pace. The best raw piece of CH form weāve seen was the fighting fifth. The 3rd horse that day beaten 25l is no mug
Grumeti? They beat him 50l at Kempton, heās nowhere near this level. MTOY has done all asked of him this season but if he could not beat Champagne Fever last year then believe me heās not going to beat Hurricane Fly this year.
The New One poses the only realistic threat to the Champ, I think he would have beat MTOY the last day, he might make a race of it anyway, the rest of them have no chance.
I agree with most of that but you canāt write off our Conor , when dessie Hughes says heāll improve at che you have to take that at face value as he knows his horses. MTOY will trade very low but would tend to agree with you wrt finding it off the back of the last home . Samentegal was the horse I was talking about
Before yesterday I believe McCoy was favouring Jezki over MTOY. Read into that what you will.
That is wholly untrue Mac.
Not based on what I was told. Iām sure yesterday will have changed his mind anyway.
HF ran to 163 sat, nearly a stone below his bestā¦now what do ye think?
I thought the tactics on Jezki were mind boggling to be honest. He was ridden to beat Hurricane Fly for a change of toe.
Jezki looks like a horse that would be better winding up the pace from the front. The fact that there is no confirmed frontrunner in the Champion would have made yesterday an ideal place to try out that tactic.
What did he run on Sunday? If Hurricane Fly was at his best then thereād be no discussion about the champion hurdle. Its impossible for him to be at his peak anymore in my view which is why the others have a chance. If he wins this year it makes his achievements even more remarkable if thats possible.
[quote=āfenwaypark, post: 893759, member: 276ā]I thought the tactics on Jezki were mind boggling to be honest. He was ridden to beat Hurricane Fly for a change of toe.
Jezki looks like a horse that would be better winding up the pace from the front. The fact that there is no confirmed frontrunner in the Champion would have made yesterday an ideal place to try out that tactic.[/quote]
Agreed, he obviously gets further so donāt know why they didnāt leave him off out the front. He doesnāt have a turn of foot.
Where are you getting this?
Nothing wrong with running to 163 at this time of year. Horses are not looking to peak until Champion Hurdle in March.
If Willie Mullins had him ready to run to 173 yesterday, then he is a poor trainer.
IMHO, Our Conor improved about 7-8 pounds from his last run. I suspect there is similar improvement (and maybe a bit more) to come between now and March. That will definitely put him bang there.
[quote=āfenwaypark, post: 893759, member: 276ā]I thought the tactics on Jezki were mind boggling to be honest. He was ridden to beat Hurricane Fly for a change of toe.
Jezki looks like a horse that would be better winding up the pace from the front. The fact that there is no confirmed frontrunner in the Champion would have made yesterday an ideal place to try out that tactic.[/quote]
I couldnāt agree more. Let him out in front, itāll be a tactical race anyway.
AP thought Jezki was a āslowā horse before yesterday, he definitely wasnāt favouring it over the Tent, that was just a misplaced rumour. The champion hurdle will be some race, I canāt wait for it and plan to be there on the Tuesday. For what itās worth I think if Un De Sceaux runs heāll take a bit of beating. I know heās not beat much but the pace he goes is deadly. Heāll go from the front and nothing else will live with him. The better the ground the better heāll be, itās almost frightening.
I got it on at the races(timeform)ā¦the form stinks to high heaven,CCB is 13 FFS.
5-6 lbs improvement is what you would get . a stone, get up they yard, HF ran to 171 in same race last year
buyer beware
Big Bucks 20lbs off his bestā¦
un de seaux is scaryā¦his pun novice win was unbelievableā¦its a pity himself and annie power are with mullins
[quote=āKid Chocolate, post: 893776, member: 553ā]I got it on at the racesā¦the form stinks to high heaven,CCB is 13 FFS.
5-6 lbs improvement is what you would get . a stone, get up they yard, HF ran to 171 in same race last year
buyer beware
Big Bucks 20lbs off his bestā¦[/quote]
That was timeformās opinion earlier on ATR. Wouldnāt say itās gospel at all. This whole argument that āCaptain Cee Bee was withing 3 lengthsā is utter rubbish. That was a result of the way the race was run, it was a sprint from the back of the last.
Willie Mullins doesnāt often make mistakes but running UDS over hurdles at the back end of last season was madness, had he not run in those races heād be 1/3 for the supreme! Iāve backed UDS NRNB, my only worry is that Mullins avoids beating Hurricane Fly with one of his own.
he was close on both races TTK, thatās the problem !
I donāt agree with UDS. No horse can win a Champion Hurdle having won a few tin pot races like he has. Heās too hard on himself early in his races still. Would be great to see him run all the same.
his hurdling would prob undo himā¦ in the CH .but I suspect the mad bastard could keep goingā¦he looks a freak
[quote=āKid Chocolate, post: 893776, member: 553ā]I got it on at the races(timeform)ā¦the form stinks to high heaven,CCB is 13 FFS.
5-6 lbs improvement is what you would get . a stone, get up they yard, HF ran to 171 in same race last year
buyer beware
Big Bucks 20lbs off his bestā¦[/quote]
Would you have fancied Silvinaco Conte for King George after his run in Betfair?