The Wuhan Clan - Tony Holohan's Having a House Party

[flattythehurdler]

Not letting them come back

[tallback]

@artfoley

@tallback

I presume our government is working off common public health playbooks. We tend to expect our cancer doctors here to use the agreed best practise as across the rest of the world and not “think outside the box” so it’s probably the same starting point for public health.

I would agree though, that for public health experts everywhere - this is unprecedented stuff and most of the actions are prob based upon theory discussed over years as opposed to experience with near pandemics.

Finally, while I get that you’re not a Leo fan (despite Sid’s assertions that you’re out to defend them!) I think a nearer analogy which may give some credit in the bank is the recent Brexit efforts which saw a broad cross-party consensus, gov working with the experts and Europe and was widely acknowledged to be best efforts in the national interest rather than sectional political interests.

thanks for a decent post in reply, its an outlier to some of the random shite that goes on here.

the delay in calling off paddys is unacceptable, as was not stopping the flights and letting a health worker come back form italy with the virus and go into work.

as for brexit, there has been a cross EU approach to that and to be fair, I would give coveney, mcentee and humphreys much of the kudos for that, not leo.

I’m not sure delaying calling off Paddy’s has any material impact? What difference does it make if it’s called off 10 days out or 14?

On the flight issues - I suspect (without much evidence to be fair) that significant pressure at an EU level has been applied that countries in the EU do not act unilaterally in instructing airlines to cease flying internally in the EU and/or in shutting borders.

[artfoley]

@Raylan

Was there an alternative to letting our own citizens come back? Students especially

yes, isolation on return

[artfoley]

@tallback

I’m not sure delaying calling off Paddy’s has any material impact? What difference does it make if it’s called off 10 days out or 14?

the decision was cynically put off so that people would still book to go to the parades. there’s still going to be 1000s of tourists mingling in the pubs on paddys weekend and id say by 31st march we’ll be well north of 500 cases

[anon78624367]

I think the delay in cancelling was bad optics. What were they deliberating for? It was just plain common sense. Now they got there in the end but it didnt look great

[tallback]

@anon78624367

I think the delay in cancelling was bad optics. What were they deliberating for? It was just plain common sense. Now they got there in the end but it didnt look great

But do you want them making decisions, big decisions, for optics or based on public health best advice?

[mikehunt]

@artfoley

yes, isolation on return

Can’t believe you had to spell it out for him.

[tallback]

@artfoley

@tallback

I’m not sure delaying calling off Paddy’s has any material impact? What difference does it make if it’s called off 10 days out or 14?

the decision was cynically put off so that people would still book to go to the parades. there’s still going to be 1000s of tourists mingling in the pubs on paddys weekend and id say by 31st march we’ll be well north of 500 cases

Do you really think they sat down and the Public Health doctors/experts were saying - “Hey politicians - we need to cancel Paddys day” and the politicians thought to themselves, not for a couple of days - we’ll get a couple of extra bookings (for the mostly booked up hotel’s/flights presumably) in and then cancel. Really?

[anon78624367]

Surely the experts unilaterally decided that holding parades was a bad idea and it didnt take a week

I just outlined the outcome of the delay and why it may have been viewed as negative.

I’m glad they were cancelled

[TheUlteriorMotive]

@anon78624367

But they won’t be. Lads who came home after yesterday are out and about now

I think that is a mistake.

[Raylan]

That is letting them back

[TheUlteriorMotive]

@artfoley

yes, isolation on return

We should have done that. Could we have enforced it?

[Tim_Riggins]

Because of what public health experts told them, not Fooley or yourself.

In reality the politicians moved the decision up a few days.

[myboyblue]

@TreatyStones

…nment can rush head long into. It needs to be timed and massive supports in place.All loan repayments would need to be suspended by the banks. Food banks would need to set up and various provisions around essential services.Lock it down is it not an easy solution and it needs to be the final option.

Those of us from the land will be grand. The rest of the lads who think food grows in Tesco are fucked.

[artfoley]

@tallback

Do you really think they sat down and the Public Health doctors/experts were saying - “Hey politicians - we need to cancel Paddys day” and the politicians thought to themselves, not for a couple of days - we’ll get a couple of extra bookings (for the mostly booked up hotel’s/flights presumably) in and then cancel. Really?

no, id say the public health guys also got caught up in the “paddys day good for the economy” and delayed giving their advice, and werent pushed on it by the govt who thought exactly the same thing.

[myboyblue]

Liverpool FC in danger of killing more fans.

https://twitter.com/JosephMcGann/status/1237713657246535681

[anon78624367]

So you’re saying the public health experts needed more time to decide whether or not to cancel a mass gathering in the midst of a pandemic?

[Tim_Riggins]

The Government were one of the first to cancel a large gathering in the form of the Italy-Ireland game, that was on the advice of public health experts. That cost a lot of people a lot of money.

Stop talking nonsense.

[artfoley]

@Tim_Riggins

The Government were one of the first to cancel a large gathering in the form of the Italy-Ireland game, that was on the advice of public health experts. That cost a lot of people a lot of money.

Stop talking nonsense.

and the parades shouldve been cancelled at the same time and they binned the italy game. surprised you cant see that.

[mikehunt]

If it’s any consolation to you, some Italians still came so not all the money was lost.