A vote isn’t a discussion.
If they had a discussion and agreed to a voting procedure with all relevant parties, and the outcome of that vote was to change the name, then yes, the name change has been agreed and should be changed
Arguably???
That’s a different argument. Changing a name is not the same as erasing history, it’s more acknowledging it.
I must confess I had never heard of John Mitchel until we played them at hurling cc @Declan_Moffat , so I looked him up, and was surprised even then, ten years ago or more, that there were clubs named after him.
you’ve contradicted yourself.
You only know of John Mitchell because you played against the team, you played and looked him up and were able to see how much of a cunt he was. If you removing all the bits of history you don’t like, you end up with nothing left. In reality it was fucking violent, brutal and prejudice.
It’s important to remember that and not kid ourselves into thinking it was any different by removing the things we don’t like now
I haven’t at all. Like I said, changing a name does not “remove history”. Continuing to honour a slave trader does, ironically enough.
This concept is clearly beyond you though, so I’ll leave it there.
Would you know about John Mitchel now if they were called Tralee Dynamo’s when you played them. You wouldn’t.
I don’t think the GAA club stand for slavery. I think it’s important to be better than the past. They have taken that name and make it stand for something that’s better now. Taking things you don’t like away now because you don’t like them, buries the dirty little secrets away, to be forgotten.
It’s important to remember everything we have now is built on violence, injustice and suffering, if only to serve as a reminder we need to be better, now.
Ozzie sent the Confederates home with their tea in a mug that day.
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Look - it’s not as if kids, particularly those of colour, are gonna find out who he is or what he stood for so best to just let it off.
They will now, I suspect.
we could start naming clubs after fluffy things like bears and wildcats, until the animal rights crowd get offended, we’ll then have to change them of course
we’ll end up with names like Elon Musk called his child
X Æ A-12 vs π 3P0 in Fraher field. Or if Fraher field is offensive, the patch of green land outside Dungarvan. And if Dungarvan is offensive, the patch of green land which is reserved for sports games and cultivates crops when games aren’t taking place near a river and a hotel that’s somewhere in Southern Ireland (oops)
Ok - you’ve lost the run of yourself there …
once you start at this type of shit it doesn’t stop.
facilitate discussions, if there is agreement, change names. Forcefully changing names is a dangerous precedent.
Everyone is offended by something or other these days, the pyramids of Egypt are more of a symbol of slavery & brutality than human engineering. Tear em down.
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how many slaves were put to slaughter for people’s enjoyment in the colosseum? (estimates have it up around 400k). That needs to go
Dan Fraher was in the IRB. So was Liam (Willie) Walsh after whom Walsh Park was named.
there’ll be some amount of renaming to be done
The Che flag fits in nicely too .
He has played like a mug since that day sadly .
Like flies to shit - the lads of white privilege are all flocking to this thread to have a go.
Jumping through hoops talking about Mount Rushmore and the pyramids when talking about an Irish issue.